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The abortion Debate
Phaoro
#21 Posted : Friday, May 14, 2010 2:47:40 PM
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My take

I have a problem with men making decisions with what women should do in this matters as it pertains to policy. Let a representative group of women leaders spearhead what viable options are there for this problem.

Those who are stuck like a stone on either end of this issue and believe it must be this way and this way only, accept that there might be circumstances that would seek solutions found within both extremes, just because its a matter of principle for you, that does not mean that the whole world revolves around the way you perceive things. We live in a complicated world, you cannot paint everyone with one ignorant brush.
sky5
#22 Posted : Friday, May 14, 2010 3:03:50 PM
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My opinion.

If abortion is murder, then it should be declared illegal without exception. Why allow citizens to commit murder?

But if you take sex (irresponsible/responsible sex) out of the equation, then the problem is neutralised. But men/women want only sex and not the consequence of sex-which is babies!! And its mostly the men who are responsible.

Choices have consequencies. Even in the draft, a choice for either 'Yes' or 'No' will have underlying consequences.

But let's hear from ladies who have done it. Can you do it again?

famooz
#23 Posted : Friday, May 14, 2010 8:40:56 PM
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@Phaoro ,why does it have to be women leaders spearheading the effort? It is not a womens issue,it affects everyone......i agree though that we need viable solutions.

@ sky, no the consequence of sex does not have to be babies.....

Much Know
#24 Posted : Friday, May 14, 2010 9:10:51 PM
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This is an excellent debate, kudos to you all. I just would like to point out that even in places where there is consensous(spelling), they have come to see surprising consequences. An example is 'partial birth abortion' just google and see why so many countries had to review abortion laws.
I am not anti abortion but we need to be careful how we carry all this out.
We have a chance to choose both a strong humanistic position as well as a moral one. We should not be rushed!
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cruso
#25 Posted : Saturday, May 15, 2010 12:51:18 PM
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Now lets all agree on one thing, that the abortion issue affects everyone but to a certain extend. By this I mean, if a man and a woman in a conventional relationship the woman conceives, the man has a right to have a say whether the woman can procure abortion or not. However, in a situation where the man did not seek proper conscent from the lady before intercourse, say in a case of rape, the woman may have to deal with the question of abortion without involving the man. But my take is that this same woman is my sister, or your cousin, aunt, mother, friend/girlfriend and they may seek your counsel concerning this matter. At that point, it becomes an issue for the society. Don't forget that even with civilization, in Africa, matters to do with babies even at conception, are still considered societal matters.
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famooz
#26 Posted : Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:31:20 PM
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@ cruso and much know,did u read the introduction of this thread?
masukuma
#27 Posted : Saturday, May 15, 2010 7:20:43 PM
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In my opinion having an abortion debate without factoring in the object of this affair - the young one who cannot speak and is busy growing but because of external reasons is yanked out of they safest place. its an injustice to them regardless of the manner of their conception. But to add a bit of realism to it - a mother should not be forced to raise this life and If it were possible for the government and churches to create a system for the raising of these unwanted children we would please both sides. I feel bad knowing someone has been denied a chance to learn, love ,play, grow and live life on this planet.

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Much Know
#28 Posted : Saturday, May 15, 2010 7:56:10 PM
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Sorry famooz, sa ingine ni maharaka to make a point, i had read the intro before but made an opinionated reply late last evening a bit 3 sheets to the wind. Again, my apologies
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#29 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 11:01:29 AM
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chepkel wrote:
Halafu, i totally disagree with people who are arguing that the abortion clause in this proposed new constitution will increase the number of abortions or give people an excuse to procure an abortion.
If one wants to do an abortion, then they would probably do it at 3 months or below. When you go to a gynecologist and sit amongst the other patients no one will know what your problem is. At this time the tummy is still very flat. You'll walk in and out in 15 minutes and you will be baby free. Now why the hell should i use an excuse of a medical emergency and risk being under scrutiny when i can just do it privately and quietly. I do not think doctors or quacks would risk exposure by using the law. But i dont know. Maybe it can happen.


Why do we constantly assume that the doctors are always ready and only waiting for one to turn up with a request for abortion.

Please also factor their integrity in this arguement, the assumption that only the men of the cloth are morally upright is way wrong, I believe majority of our doctors, nurses and other medical personell are of high moral standing and do not accept to procure arbotions on demand
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chepkel
#30 Posted : Monday, May 17, 2010 11:09:53 AM
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@Obi It is not assumed, it is a fact. Off course there are those who would not do it and their number is large but there are many who would do it. You will be surprised how easy it is to get an abortion in this country irrespective of the hospital you go to. looking for a doctor to do it is usually not an issue the issue is raising the funds.

And the days of thinking that only the men of the cloth are morally upright is long gone. In fact, they top the immoral list.
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