Its amazing how Kenyans believe porojo from our so called leaders, how they twist the facts to suit their chosen agenda, how a non-issue becomes an elephant. these are the same leaders who told us that rain does not come from trees but from the sky...sasa wanasema hii katiba inallow abortion, tutapokonywa mashamba... inaondoa cdf, .
We are not set for referendum full of lies and rumours.

I like the line where Ruto argues that the proposed allocation of 15% of the budget to the counties is a reduction in half and that the current constitution allocates 30% of the national budget.

In his arguement in this fiscal year the govt budget was Sh. 700B, 30% allocation to local govt should have been Sh. 210B, if you were to simply divide this by the number of constituencies, then each would get Sh.10B.

May be some one should ask Ruto to tell us how he spent the Sh. 10B in his Eldoret North(or os it south)constituency. Is this the kind of man we want to turn to

Cum'on guys, lets not over analyse issues, lets trust our Doctors to decline to do abortions not because its against the law, but because they have taken an oath to save lives.

Lets also listen to the messages given to us and think about them for a minute;

Muslims have practised their faith with the Kadhi court system for over 1,000 years, it does no harm to us. Lets take cognisance of the fact that sharia laws, which would harm our fundamental rights are not even being contemplated.

I think this Ruto thing is a trick by the YES campaigners. People opposed to the draft might just vote yes so as not to vote as Ruto.

Someone wants this process to fail so much as to insert some clauses so that the process seems questionable.... of course whoever put this in is not a church leader, or a human rights activist but a politician... if this document is so bad for the politicians as to want to "scuffle" the process, believe me, it is so good for kenyans by the same measure and i think we should have the same passion to have this constitution... anything good for kenyans is bad for politicians and there is no politician who can pull such a move with interests of kenyans at heart... No wonder they are spreading so lies... unless they are caught between a rock and a hard place.

Soko tele
True, "reproductive health care" is code for abortion.

@sokotele

see below links on reproductive health care and what they regard as reproductive health care. Now, where and when did it replace abortion? Someone claimed it is a code word in US - see the illinois website, check he UNFPA, WHO,

http://www.hfs.illinois.gov/mch/reprohealth.html

http://www.unfpa.org/rh/

http://www.wpro.who.int/...cs/reproductive_health/

To be precise on UNFPA definition:

What is Reproductive Health Care?

A comprehensive reproductive health programme might include the following elements as part of primary health care (with appropriate referrals):

* Family planning information and services, including counselling and follow-up, aimed at all couples and individuals;
* prenatal, delivery (including assisted delivery) and post-natal care, with referral for the management of obstetric complications;
* prevention of abortion, management of the consequences of abortion and post-abortion counselling and family planning;
* prevention of reproductive tract infections including sexually transmitted diseases, and treatment of systemic infections;
* prevention of HIV/AIDS;
* prevention of infertility and sub-fecundity;
* routine screening for urinary tract infections, cervical infections, cervical and breast cancer and other women's reproductive health conditions;
* active discouragement of harmful practices such as female genital mutilation.


Now good people, which definition is kenyans using or did we coin our own just for constitution purposes?

Sokotele - hiyo yako ni propaganda tele sokoni(on a light note)

@Wendz............What did you carefully and intentionally omit...
Access to reproductive and sexual health services including family planning: Family planning counseling, pre-natal care, safe delivery and post-natal care, prevention and appropriate treatment of infertility, prevention of abortion and the management of the consequences of abortion, treatment of reproductive tract infections, sexually transmitted diseases and other reproductive health conditions; and education, counseling, as appropriate, on human sexuality, reproductive health and responsible parenthood. Services regarding HIV/AIDS, breast cancer, infertility, delivery, and abortion should be made available. Active discouragement of female genital mutilation (FGM).

@Wendz

You should not mix the notions of 'reproductive health care' (captured in the links you have given which are concerned about health per se and not human rights) and 'reproductive health care rights' (found in the language of human rights activists campaigning for the right to abortion). when one brings in the issue of rights that is when one wonders into the realm of the 'right to abortion'.

The draft constitution in essence provides for 'the right to reproductive health care' which is code for the 'right to abortion. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion

"Generally, the pro-life position argues that a human fetus is a human being with the right to live making abortion tantamount to murder. The pro-choice position argues that a woman has certain reproductive rights, especially the choice whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term."

See also:

Reproductive rights are human rights:

http://reproductiveright...-rights-are-human-rights

@Wendz

UNFPA Pushes Reproductive Rights in United Nations Treaties to Promote Abortion

New York, NY (LifeNews.com) -- This week, abortion advocates the Center for Reproductive Rights (CRR) and Amnesty International (AI) are teaming up with the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) to host the "first-ever" briefings on "reproductive rights" for the committees responsible for monitoring compliance with the Convention Against Torture (CAT) and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR).

According to the CRR website, the briefing with the UN Committee against Torture (CAT) will focus on "reproductive rights violations" such "denial of reproductive healthcare services, including abortion and post-abortion care."

More on:

http://www.lifenews.com/int1534.html