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Kenya Re FY 2016 and looking to FY 2017
Pesa Nane
#31 Posted : Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:08:18 PM
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Horton wrote:
Anyone got a balance sheet on this @pesanane?

Find the comprehensive FY16 Annual Report HERE
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
VituVingiSana
#32 Posted : Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:25:50 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@VVS
There is no need of selling the buildings.They are bringing in good investment income.
The buildings were also build a while back so by now they have recovered their return on investment.
They also have good assets like 30 acres in Nairobi like 2 acres in Upper hill opposite Don Bosco church.
These are gold assets which they can develop to bring in better returns.
Main worry currently is if they decide to put up a commercial building in Upper Hill with the current glut being experienced in the area

They have been looking at a new building, I just didn't know where in UH.
I agree with you re: glut of office space. What's the value of land in UH?
Where are the 30 acres?
I look at current yields regardless of cost. GoK bonds yielding tax-free 13% should be snapped in droves. That's almost 2x rental yields on a PBT basis.


The 30 acres is along ngong road just before you reach Nairobi business park.
Value of the land in UH should be close to a bn

Wow! I need to check to see what value has been shown on the books. Ngong land - is there clear title? You know the drama they had with land in Ngong/Karura/City Forest! Say it's clear title, what's the 30 acres worth?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#33 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 12:16:16 AM
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Hmmm, KenyaRe should sell off one of its buildings in Upper Hill to EACC/DPP. Then use the cash to build the 21 story tower on the 2 acres opposite Don Bosco when the market looks better. In the meantime the cash can be placed in a T-bond for 2-5 years.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#34 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 12:53:16 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, KenyaRe should sell off one of its buildings in Upper Hill to EACC/DPP. Then use the cash to build the 21 story tower on the 2 acres opposite Don Bosco when the market looks better. In the meantime the cash can be placed in a T-bond for 2-5 years.


No need to sell the building.Currently it has 100% occupancy.
Money to build the twin towers has already been set aside.Its about sh.4.2bn.
Currently it has been put into government securities to earn interest as they wait for the right time
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Pesa Nane
#35 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 10:41:49 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, KenyaRe should sell off one of its buildings in Upper Hill to EACC/DPP. Then use the cash to build the 21 story tower on the 2 acres opposite Don Bosco when the market looks better. In the meantime the cash can be placed in a T-bond for 2-5 years.

Ohh, so that is Kenya Re land? There are some "masais" making a killing leasing parking space to church goers and NTSA visitors.
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Elephant Man
#36 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 10:48:45 AM
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@ pesa nane... the next thing you know, those 'masais' will claim ownership on the basis of adverse possession...lol
VituVingiSana
#37 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 11:07:01 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, KenyaRe should sell off one of its buildings in Upper Hill to EACC/DPP. Then use the cash to build the 21 story tower on the 2 acres opposite Don Bosco when the market looks better. In the meantime the cash can be placed in a T-bond for 2-5 years.


No need to sell the building.Currently it has 100% occupancy.
Money to build the twin towers has already been set aside.Its about sh.4.2bn.
Currently it has been put into government securities to earn interest as they wait for the right time

I am not a fan of "property" for the sake of owning property when there are other asset classes OR the ability to own property through alternate means.

If the UH building is worth [or there's an offer] 1bn at a 8% Gross/Pre-tax Rental Yield, I'd rather sell the building and re-invest the cash into Car & General. C&G owns lots of property along Lusaka Road plus has a decent but not spectacular business that generates post-tax Earnings Yield of 8%.

I like tax-free T-Bonds at 13% [12 years] as well. That's 17% pre-tax which is 2x the Rental Yield. Unless the building increases in value at 8% p.a., the Bond is clearly superior [less hassle, admin, etc].

Or KenRe should cut a deal with EABL/BAT/credit-worthy tenant to buy a plant/land/building as a Sale-Leaseback at a return better than 12%. Recently EABL borrowed at 14.17% p.a. for 5 years.

Bottomline: Can other options (as listed above) beat KenRe's after-tax rental returns?

P.S. About the 30 acres. Value?
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Ericsson
#38 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 11:45:24 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, KenyaRe should sell off one of its buildings in Upper Hill to EACC/DPP. Then use the cash to build the 21 story tower on the 2 acres opposite Don Bosco when the market looks better. In the meantime the cash can be placed in a T-bond for 2-5 years.

Ohh, so that is Kenya Re land? There are some "masais" making a killing leasing parking space to church goers and NTSA visitors.


Their plot of land is not the one church goers and NTSA visitors park.
Theirs is the one in between Taj Towers and the one church goers park.
There was even a beware notice placed
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#39 Posted : Monday, April 03, 2017 11:48:15 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Hmmm, KenyaRe should sell off one of its buildings in Upper Hill to EACC/DPP. Then use the cash to build the 21 story tower on the 2 acres opposite Don Bosco when the market looks better. In the meantime the cash can be placed in a T-bond for 2-5 years.


No need to sell the building.Currently it has 100% occupancy.
Money to build the twin towers has already been set aside.Its about sh.4.2bn.
Currently it has been put into government securities to earn interest as they wait for the right time

I am not a fan of "property" for the sake of owning property when there are other asset classes OR the ability to own property through alternate means.

If the UH building is worth [or there's an offer] 1bn at a 8% Gross/Pre-tax Rental Yield, I'd rather sell the building and re-invest the cash into Car & General. C&G owns lots of property along Lusaka Road plus has a decent but not spectacular business that generates post-tax Earnings Yield of 8%.

I like tax-free T-Bonds at 13% [12 years] as well. That's 17% pre-tax which is 2x the Rental Yield. Unless the building increases in value at 8% p.a., the Bond is clearly superior [less hassle, admin, etc].

Or KenRe should cut a deal with EABL/BAT/credit-worthy tenant to buy a plant/land/building as a Sale-Leaseback at a return better than 12%. Recently EABL borrowed at 14.17% p.a. for 5 years.

Bottomline: Can other options (as listed above) beat KenRe's after-tax rental returns?

P.S. About the 30 acres. Value?


Better they own the building and rent it out to tenants.
Companies like EABL which sold their building was due to cashflow issues and wanting to inflate profits in the short term.
Worldwide Insurance companies and pension schemes are known to own buildings and properties coz of returns that supplement the main business
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#40 Posted : Thursday, April 06, 2017 7:26:58 PM
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Catch Mr Jadiah Mwarania, MD Kenya_Re on the TradingBell tonight at 9:30pm on KBCChannel1 as he talks about the opportunities & challenges facing insurance business in Kenya.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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