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Kenya Re FY 2016 and looking to FY 2017
Ebenyo
#21 Posted : Friday, March 31, 2017 11:06:07 PM
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Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 2,016
Location: Kitale
Pesa Nane wrote:
Shak wrote:
@VVS please complete the story and let us know
if there'll be a dividend


First and Final Dividend Kshs. 0.80 (pesa nane, smile )




Book closure and payment dates?
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Ericsson
#22 Posted : Saturday, April 01, 2017 1:58:17 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,808
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
I have had some problems logging on.
I don't know how to "post" docs but @pesanane always comes through!

😂😂😂 @Obiero - No stress. I own a "declining" firm that made more profit on 31st Dec 2016 than KQ made in 4 years! Heck, KenRe's dividend on 1 share is higher than KQ's profits for 4 years! I will cry myself to sleep with a mere 80 cents/share while you celebrate with... zero.

The increase in provisions was +550mn (665mn for 2016) and attributed to West Africa, South Sudan, etc. They will continue pursuing the debtors. The drama in Ivory Coast was cited.

They have lots of cash. T-Bonds are up to 11+bn and bank deposits 4+bn. It remains cash-rich. Modest growth expected in 2017. Marine insurance benefits will kick in in 2017 and hopefully higher profit contribution in 2018.

Expansion in Southern Africa will continue but as with new markets there's always start-up costs including giving credit.

Assets continue increasing. ZepRe is profitable and growing.

Slow but steady. This share/firm isn't for those who love drama.


The Group has no borrowings
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#23 Posted : Saturday, April 01, 2017 6:53:55 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,349
Location: Nairobi
@Ericsson - Net cash holdings. Huge holdings. In Bonds and Banks. If I had 50% (control), I would sell off the buildings, idle assets, etc... And stick to GoK bonds while running a conservative reinsurance firm.

And extract healthy dividends. I think they need to rethink the dividend policy and look at paying 40% (vs 20%) of EPS as dividends.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#24 Posted : Saturday, April 01, 2017 8:39:14 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,808
Location: NAIROBI
@VVS
There is no need of selling the buildings.They are bringing in good investment income.
The buildings were also build a while back so by now they have recovered their return on investment.
They also have good assets like 30 acres in Nairobi like 2 acres in Upper hill opposite Don Bosco church.
These are gold assets which they can develop to bring in better returns.
Main worry currently is if they decide to put up a commercial building in Upper Hill with the current glut being experienced in the area
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#25 Posted : Saturday, April 01, 2017 8:40:44 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,808
Location: NAIROBI
As for dividends their policy is to give out 35% of the cash profits.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#26 Posted : Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:01:57 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,226
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
@VVS
There is no need of selling the buildings.They are bringing in good investment income.
The buildings were also build a while back so by now they have recovered their return on investment.
They also have good assets like 30 acres in Nairobi like 2 acres in Upper hill opposite Don Bosco church.
These are gold assets which they can develop to bring in better returns.
Main worry currently is if they decide to put up a commercial building in Upper Hill with the current glut being experienced in the area

2 acres Upper Hill???

Ericsson
#27 Posted : Sunday, April 02, 2017 8:23:54 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,808
Location: NAIROBI
Yes Obiero
The plot size is between 1.5-2 acres
The plan was to put up twin towers commercial building of around 21 floors each
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#28 Posted : Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:25:56 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,349
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
@VVS
There is no need of selling the buildings.They are bringing in good investment income.
The buildings were also build a while back so by now they have recovered their return on investment.
They also have good assets like 30 acres in Nairobi like 2 acres in Upper hill opposite Don Bosco church.
These are gold assets which they can develop to bring in better returns.
Main worry currently is if they decide to put up a commercial building in Upper Hill with the current glut being experienced in the area

They have been looking at a new building, I just didn't know where in UH.
I agree with you re: glut of office space. What's the value of land in UH?
Where are the 30 acres?
I look at current yields regardless of cost. GoK bonds yielding tax-free 13% should be snapped in droves. That's almost 2x rental yields on a PBT basis.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#29 Posted : Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:27:33 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
Anyone got a balance sheet on this @pesanane?
Ericsson
#30 Posted : Sunday, April 02, 2017 4:54:27 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,808
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@VVS
There is no need of selling the buildings.They are bringing in good investment income.
The buildings were also build a while back so by now they have recovered their return on investment.
They also have good assets like 30 acres in Nairobi like 2 acres in Upper hill opposite Don Bosco church.
These are gold assets which they can develop to bring in better returns.
Main worry currently is if they decide to put up a commercial building in Upper Hill with the current glut being experienced in the area

They have been looking at a new building, I just didn't know where in UH.
I agree with you re: glut of office space. What's the value of land in UH?
Where are the 30 acres?
I look at current yields regardless of cost. GoK bonds yielding tax-free 13% should be snapped in droves. That's almost 2x rental yields on a PBT basis.


The 30 acres is along ngong road just before you reach Nairobi business park.
Value of the land in UH should be close to a bn
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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