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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Let me share further knowledge on this...
Allah's names all have 'Al' at the beginning eg. Al-lah, Ar-Rahman, Al-Malik etc. This prefix "al' is equivalent to "The" in English, and it makes a name definite i.e. makes the noun unique. So "The God" is a being whose unique and specific who is capable of functions such as creating, resurrecting, lordship, etc. In English we refer as "Almighty God" or "Mwenyezi Mungu" in Swahili.
So it is not permissible to call a human being by these names.
But, if you want to use these names like "Allah", then we prefix "abd" to that name. "Abd" is Arabic word meaning one who is subordinated or a servant of.
So we can use "Abd" and the name of Allah e.g. Abd-allah, Abd-Malik etc
This is similar to "mu" or "wa" in Kikuyu e.g. Mu-Ngai, Wa-Ngai etc
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:
They are definitely impostors. They are self-proclaimed individuals who don't care about the true meaning of the names or words, or don't respect the true owner of the names. If it were the time of Gikuyu, the father of Kikuyu people, he would be summoned to face Mt. Kenya to answer charges of blasphemy.
blasphemy is really a show of insecurity! it's what a person is labeled after pushing against the boundaries of what adherents of a certain faith consider the forgivable boundaries. but to me it's really a matter of dates! what is blasphemy today may be permissible tomorrow. And that's the reason I think it's not an offense to God but rather his henchmen - if it was offensive to God... each time someone would do it... they would 'go'! but nope... that doesn't happen. Some have argued that it's a victimless crime! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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AlphDoti wrote:Let me share further knowledge on this...
Allah's names all have 'Al' at the beginning eg. Al-lah, Ar-Rahman, Al-Malik etc. This prefix "al' is equivalent to "The" in English, and it makes a name definite i.e. makes the noun unique. So "The God" is a being whose unique and specific who is capable of functions such as creating, resurrecting, lordship, etc. In English we refer as "Almighty God" or "Mwenyezi Mungu" in Swahili.
So it is not permissible to call a human being by these names.
But, if you want to use these names like "Allah", then we prefix "abd" to that name. "Abd" is Arabic word meaning one who is subordinated or a servant of.
So we can use "Abd" and the name of Allah e.g. Abd-allah, Abd-Malik etc
This is similar to "mu" or "wa" in Kikuyu e.g. Mu-Ngai, Wa-Ngai etc Or else what? What you going to do? Kill Allah? Oh wait, it has been a trend among you folk to kill even family members who do things 'not permissible' in the name of your beliefs and religion. What's wrong with you muslims and killing? It's just your nature!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
They are definitely impostors. They are self-proclaimed individuals who don't care about the true meaning of the names or words, or don't respect the true owner of the names. If it were the time of Gikuyu, the father of Kikuyu people, he would be summoned to face Mt. Kenya to answer charges of blasphemy.
blasphemy is really a show of insecurity! it's what a person is labeled after pushing against the boundaries of what adherents of a certain faith consider the forgivable boundaries. but to me it's really a matter of dates! what is blasphemy today may be permissible tomorrow. And that's the reason I think it's not an offense to God but rather his henchmen - if it was offensive to God... each time someone would do it... they would 'go'! but nope... that doesn't happen. Some have argued that it's a victimless crime! @mavegs, we cannot mix believe with disbelieve. If you are a believer in Supreme Being, then you know what blasphemy is. But if you are an atheist and you do no believe in The God the creator, then what does it concern you what believers do? You would be meddling in what does not concern you. If you are atheist, then leave religious stuff alone as long as no one forces you to it. Leave their names alone. Use atheist names...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
They are definitely impostors. They are self-proclaimed individuals who don't care about the true meaning of the names or words, or don't respect the true owner of the names. If it were the time of Gikuyu, the father of Kikuyu people, he would be summoned to face Mt. Kenya to answer charges of blasphemy.
blasphemy is really a show of insecurity! it's what a person is labeled after pushing against the boundaries of what adherents of a certain faith consider the forgivable boundaries. but to me it's really a matter of dates! what is blasphemy today may be permissible tomorrow. And that's the reason I think it's not an offense to God but rather his henchmen - if it was offensive to God... each time someone would do it... they would 'go'! but nope... that doesn't happen. Some have argued that it's a victimless crime! @mavegs, we cannot mix believe with disbelieve. If you are a believer in Supreme Being, then you know what blasphemy is.
But if you are an atheist and you do no believe in The God the creator, then what does it concern you what believers do? You would be meddling in what does not concern you. If you are atheist, then leave religious stuff alone as long as no one forces you to it. Leave their names alone. Use atheist names... no... not really! religion does not own God!! God is not a muslim or is he/she a christian! The thing is... you don't own God! Again... the repercussions of 'blasphemy' are real and not imaginary or unseen (someone said the two look very much the same - but that is a different story) and can affect believers and non believers. While atheists may argue about the existence of God no one argues about the repercussions of blasphemy and who does the 'enforcement'. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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That's confusing a child. Whenever people go down to pray the child will either answer to believers calling Allah or will wonder why people keep calling out her name. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
They are definitely impostors. They are self-proclaimed individuals who don't care about the true meaning of the names or words, or don't respect the true owner of the names. If it were the time of Gikuyu, the father of Kikuyu people, he would be summoned to face Mt. Kenya to answer charges of blasphemy.
blasphemy is really a show of insecurity! it's what a person is labeled after pushing against the boundaries of what adherents of a certain faith consider the forgivable boundaries. but to me it's really a matter of dates! what is blasphemy today may be permissible tomorrow. And that's the reason I think it's not an offense to God but rather his henchmen - if it was offensive to God... each time someone would do it... they would 'go'! but nope... that doesn't happen. Some have argued that it's a victimless crime! @mavegs, we cannot mix believe with disbelieve. If you are a believer in Supreme Being, then you know what blasphemy is.
But if you are an atheist and you do no believe in The God the creator, then what does it concern you what believers do? You would be meddling in what does not concern you. If you are atheist, then leave religious stuff alone as long as no one forces you to it. Leave their names alone. Use atheist names... no... not really! religion does not own God!! God is not a muslim or is he/she a christian! The thing is... you don't own God! Again... the repercussions of 'blasphemy' are real and not imaginary or unseen (someone said the two look very much the same - but that is a different story) and can affect believers and non believers. While atheists may argue about the existence of God no one argues about the repercussions of blasphemy and who does the 'enforcement'. @mavegs, no one said anyone owns God. I think you read your own stuff there. My point is, we cannot mix believe in God ( of course if you believe in Supreme God then by extension you accept the repercussions of 'blasphemy'). You cannot mix that with disbelieve in God. The point is, if you do not believe in the existence of God, why does it concern you the names of that God and what those believers believe in? Why do you want to associate yourself with what you don’t believe in?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:
@mavegs, no one said anyone owns God. I think you read your own stuff there.
My point is, we cannot mix believe in God (of course if you believe in Supreme God then by extension you accept the repercussions of 'blasphemy'). You cannot mix that with disbelieve in God.
The point is, if you do not believe in the existence of God, why does it concern you the names of that God and what those believers believe in? Why do you want to associate yourself with what you don’t believe in?
My point is the repercussions of blasphemy are rarely felt by adherents of the faith whose deity and/or chief messenger has been 'insulted' but rather by a minority of the population that don't give 2 f*cks about the religion and it's deities. A good example is the Pakistani blasphemy laws... when I lived there Christians and Hindus were being arrested all over! the case of Asia Bibi was very prominent when I was there... she has been condemned to death for asking the question - "I believe in my religion and in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for the sins of mankind. What did your Prophet Mohammed ever do to save mankind?" after muslims made derogatory statements about her religion. Heck the case got so touchy until the then governor of Punjab was shot by his body guard coz he lobbied for Asia to get pardoned by the president and denounced section 295-C of the Pakistan Penal Code (aka the notorious blasphemy laws) that say Quote:Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@masukuma, as we have agreed before, nobody should be prevented to practice his or her religion. And nobody should discredit the name of any personality in any other religion. These personalities must be accorded respect i.e. Moses, or Abraham, Jesus, or Muhammad, or God. I have told you many times again and again, Muslims love and respect all prophets of God from Abraham, to Moses, to David, to Jesus to Muhammad peace be upon them all. So no atheist should discredit these personalities just coz they don't believe in. They should not mock their names coz it does not concern them. Similarly a Christian should respect these personalities even if they don't believe in them. Saying " What did your Prophet Mohammed ever do to save mankind?" by that lady you quoted perhaps were derogatory. Such words should not be directed at any other religion... masukuma wrote:she has been condemned to death for asking the question - "What did your Prophet Mohammed ever do to save mankind?" after muslims made derogatory statements about her religion.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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I remember a news story about an Asian Muslim majority Country where the Muslims objected to the use of the word “Allah” by Christians to refer to their (Christian) God! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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