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hamburglar
#101 Posted : Saturday, March 18, 2017 8:56:41 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
DotiLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

You never cease to amaze

That woman in Revelation is not the same case.

But you seem to really understand Muhammad and why he had to give you messages from Satan

Those sins there are SINS! Done by pastor, backbencher, Muslim or atheist they're sin

But Jesus takes us a notch higher: lust is sin too. Not just 'doing it'


There is nothing like sin. There is morally and legally wrongs and rights but sin is just a word used to instill fear into the naive and gullible.

As for you AlphDoti, I won't even indulge you. Yours is a lost cause.
AlphDoti
#102 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 6:12:42 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
DotiLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

You never cease to amaze

That woman in Revelation is not the same case.

But you seem to really understand Muhammad and why he had to give you messages from Satan

Those sins there are SINS! Done by pastor, backbencher, Muslim or atheist they're sin

But Jesus takes us a notch higher: lust is sin too. Not just 'doing it'

@Lolest! Who said it is the same woman? BUT ut is the SAME crime. ADULTERY!

Can you explain why Jesus is KILLING the children of the ADULTERESS:

Revelation 2:22-23: "So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit ADULTERY with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds."
mawinder
#103 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 7:29:30 AM
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Alphadoti take your radicalization teachings elsewhere.Alshabaab=Muslims.Admin should deal with Alshabaab fellows here ruthlessly.
AlphDoti
#104 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 9:34:56 AM
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mawinder wrote:
Alphadoti take your radicalization teachings elsewhere.Alshabaab=Muslims.Admin should deal with Alshabaab fellows here ruthlessly.

What is radical teachings... Pliz allow @Laughing out loudly! and team church to explain why Jesus is killing children of the adulteress. I don't think you're qalualified to handle matters here. Stick to your lane of hating WSR... you made some vow that if he's not jailed by ICC, then you would do I don't nkow what! Why are you still here.

And since you've confessed once that you also eat chips-funga, be ready for whatthe Jesus promises you here: Revelation 2:22-23: "...and I will make those who commit ADULTERY with her suffer intensely..."
2012
#105 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 10:58:01 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Alphadoti take your radicalization teachings elsewhere.Alshabaab=Muslims.Admin should deal with Alshabaab fellows here ruthlessly.

What is radical teachings... Pliz allow @Laughing out loudly! and team church to explain why Jesus is killing children of the adulteress. I don't think you're qalualified to handle matters here. Stick to your lane of hating WSR... you made some vow that if he's not jailed by ICC, then you would do I don't nkow what! Why are you still here.

And since you've confessed once that you also eat chips-funga, be ready for whatthe Jesus promises you here: Revelation 2:22-23: "...and I will make those who commit ADULTERY with her suffer intensely..."



Where did you read about Jesus killing children? If you want to know about Jesus, go read the Bible,it's a book available to everybody. If you can find a passage where you can find fault during his life here on earth, let us know. It is unfair for you to bring up Jesus just like it would be unfair for us to bring up 'the prophet'.

BBI will solve it
:)
tycho
#106 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 12:21:29 PM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
tycho wrote:


God has to be sought afresh.

Or rather, God has to reveal himself/herself/itself again. Because our political history has come to a dead end.


In my view it may be more of man rediscovering himself.

Some say we are spiritual beings having a human experience. I tend to agree with this view.


Spirituality is political @mtu biz. When the political context changes, human spirituality and ideas/realities of God also change.

I count it as a sign of oppression, when for example, it's said that religion/faith is seperate from the state, or God isn't accessed through the history of a people. Unfortunately, this is the case for so many of us, that God is accessed through a priesthood and a specialized institution radically removed from our cultural history.

Our spirituality is our humanity and vice versa.
tycho
#107 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 12:25:58 PM
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Comparing Islam and Christianity, and even canvassing for a particular world view for a people, is absurd.

World views and faiths aren't wares sold in the market.
AlphDoti
#108 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 12:53:24 PM
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2012 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Alphadoti take your radicalization teachings elsewhere.Alshabaab=Muslims.Admin should deal with Alshabaab fellows here ruthlessly.

What is radical teachings... Pliz allow @Laughing out loudly! and team church to explain why Jesus is killing children of the adulteress. I don't think you're qalualified to handle matters here. Stick to your lane of hating WSR... you made some vow that if he's not jailed by ICC, then you would do I don't nkow what! Why are you still here.

And since you've confessed once that you also eat chips-funga, be ready for whatthe Jesus promises you here: Revelation 2:22-23: "...and I will make those who commit ADULTERY with her suffer intensely..."



Where did you read about Jesus killing children? If you want to know about Jesus, go read the Bible,it's a book available to everybody. If you can find a passage where you can find fault during his life here on earth, let us know. It is unfair for you to bring up Jesus just like it would be unfair for us to bring up 'the prophet'.

@2012, which book is Revelation 2:22-23? It is not the Bible? You're displaying your ignorance of the Bible bro... people here are not fools, they're going to GOOGLE the verse and see who is trying to fool who here smile

I brought up this verse for @lonest! Read all posts in this page abive, esplied to him for you to understand...

There's nothing you can quote in law of YAHWEH or Allah in Arabic that we cannot show you in Bible
AlphDoti
#109 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:00:20 PM
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tycho wrote:
Comparing Islam and Christianity, and even canvassing for a particular world view for a people, is absurd.

World views and faiths aren't wares sold in the market.

@tycho, what we condemn here are those who call themselves Christians, yet not ready to follow the teachings of Christianity... It is something common among church goers today to find "boyfriend-girlfriend living together" to "one night stand" to "having sex with his date or girlfriend" and "pastors selling sex toys" etc... When I tell them their punishment is cearly imentioned in Revelation 2:22, they cry foul... Some of them went to church today, right now as we speak they are walking out of church so humble like angels... It is absurd! TheI hypocrisy that pains @ngogoyo and many others!

NOTE: I said COMMON
tycho
#110 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:55:32 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Comparing Islam and Christianity, and even canvassing for a particular world view for a people, is absurd.

World views and faiths aren't wares sold in the market.

@tycho, what we condemn here are those who call themselves Christians, yet not ready to follow the teachings of Christianity... It is something common among church goers today to find "boyfriend-girlfriend living together" to "one night stand" to "having sex with his date or girlfriend" and "pastors selling sex toys" etc... When I tell them their punishment is cearly imentioned in Revelation 2:22, they cry foul... Some of them went to church today, right now as we speak they are walking out of church so humble like angels... It is absurd! TheI hypocrisy that pains @ngogoyo and many others!

NOTE: I said COMMON


How other people navigate their faiths and religion is strictly their business.

If one would want to understand the reasons behind conflict between profession of a faith and their day to day activities, then the methods for doing so will certainly not entail such a critique as you're offering.

2012
#111 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 2:15:18 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Alphadoti take your radicalization teachings elsewhere.Alshabaab=Muslims.Admin should deal with Alshabaab fellows here ruthlessly.

What is radical teachings... Pliz allow @Laughing out loudly! and team church to explain why Jesus is killing children of the adulteress. I don't think you're qalualified to handle matters here. Stick to your lane of hating WSR... you made some vow that if he's not jailed by ICC, then you would do I don't nkow what! Why are you still here.

And since you've confessed once that you also eat chips-funga, be ready for whatthe Jesus promises you here: Revelation 2:22-23: "...and I will make those who commit ADULTERY with her suffer intensely..."



Where did you read about Jesus killing children? If you want to know about Jesus, go read the Bible,it's a book available to everybody. If you can find a passage where you can find fault during his life here on earth, let us know. It is unfair for you to bring up Jesus just like it would be unfair for us to bring up 'the prophet'.

@2012, which book is Revelation 2:22-23? It is not the Bible? You're displaying your ignorance of the Bible bro... people here are not fools, they're going to GOOGLE the verse and see who is trying to fool who here smile

I brought up this verse for @lonest! Read all posts in this page abive, esplied to him for you to understand...

There's nothing you can quote in law of YAHWEH or Allah in Arabic that we cannot show you in Bible


It's not about what is written but how you've chosen to interpret it out of context to suit your purpose. The verse refers to Jezebel and her offsprings. If anyone is interested, read the chapter.

BBI will solve it
:)
AlphDoti
#112 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 3:16:28 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
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Location: Kenya
2012 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Alphadoti take your radicalization teachings elsewhere.Alshabaab=Muslims.Admin should deal with Alshabaab fellows here ruthlessly.

What is radical teachings... Pliz allow @Laughing out loudly! and team church to explain why Jesus is killing children of the adulteress. I don't think you're qalualified to handle matters here. Stick to your lane of hating WSR... you made some vow that if he's not jailed by ICC, then you would do I don't nkow what! Why are you still here.

And since you've confessed once that you also eat chips-funga, be ready for whatthe Jesus promises you here: Revelation 2:22-23: "...and I will make those who commit ADULTERY with her suffer intensely..."



Where did you read about Jesus killing children? If you want to know about Jesus, go read the Bible,it's a book available to everybody. If you can find a passage where you can find fault during his life here on earth, let us know. It is unfair for you to bring up Jesus just like it would be unfair for us to bring up 'the prophet'.

@2012, which book is Revelation 2:22-23? It is not the Bible? You're displaying your ignorance of the Bible bro... people here are not fools, they're going to GOOGLE the verse and see who is trying to fool who here smile

I brought up this verse for @lonest! Read all posts in this page abive, esplied to him for you to understand...

There's nothing you can quote in law of YAHWEH or Allah in Arabic that we cannot show you in Bible

It's not about what is written but how you've chosen to interpret it out of context to suit your purpose. The verse refers to Jezebel and her offsprings. If anyone is interested, read the chapter.

Yes, it is written, and the ink has dried. That's all. Jezebel the adulteress... in the New Testament... she faced the punishment.
Mtu Biz
#113 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 3:26:19 PM
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tycho wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tycho wrote:


God has to be sought afresh.

Or rather, God has to reveal himself/herself/itself again. Because our political history has come to a dead end.


In my view it may be more of man rediscovering himself.

Some say we are spiritual beings having a human experience. I tend to agree with this view.


Spirituality is political @mtu biz. When the political context changes, human spirituality and ideas/realities of God also change.

I count it as a sign of oppression, when for example, it's said that religion/faith is seperate from the state, or God isn't accessed through the history of a people. Unfortunately, this is the case for so many of us, that God is accessed through a priesthood and a specialized institution radically removed from our cultural history.

Our spirituality is our humanity and vice versa.


What is to be made of the diversity in spiritual expression?
Or the political context can somehow influence such diversity?
Sola Scriptura


murchr
#114 Posted : Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:31:27 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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What is the mechanism or physics that allows 'information' to travel back in time to a gifted medium?

We have all heard of those people we call prophets - Koitalel, Syokimau etc who predicted the coming of the white man and the rail.

My experience

A few years ago, I was working at a company that seemed to be doing very well. Upward trajectory was the norm hitting targets and all. So when a colleague came to me one day and told me that he's looking for another job because "this company is not doing good", I could not believe it. I asked him why he said that and he told me that he visited a Buddhist priest (Buddha) out of town who told gave him the prophesy.

Honestly, I laughed it off. But I didn't dismiss him because it would have been rude and disrespectful.

A few months down the line, the company lost the largest client, the panic in mgt was intense I mean you could feel it. We had a town hall meeting and the CEO announced the news explaining that loosing the account meant that we would loose 5% in earnings. They tried to express some optimism saying that we shall get new clients but....that didn't happen, the prospective clients chickened out and delayed, the others started delaying their renewal of contracts. My colleague came to me and said..."see, all this was predicted by Buddha". Anyway, long story short my then employer was later acquired by a competitor and people lost jobs because of redundancy.

So back to my question what is the science that allows 'information' to travel back in time to a gifted person? Are some of our brains an antenna of sort?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Apricot
#115 Posted : Monday, March 20, 2017 2:10:56 AM
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murchr wrote:
What is the mechanism or physics that allows 'information' to travel back in time to a gifted medium?

We have all heard of those people we call prophets - Koitalel, Syokimau etc who predicted the coming of the white man and the rail.

My experience

A few years ago, I was working at a company that seemed to be doing very well. Upward trajectory was the norm hitting targets and all. So when a colleague came to me one day and told me that he's looking for another job because "this company is not doing good", I could not believe it. I asked him why he said that and he told me that he visited a Buddhist priest (Buddha) out of town who told gave him the prophesy.

Honestly, I laughed it off. But I didn't dismiss him because it would have been rude and disrespectful.

A few months down the line, the company lost the largest client, the panic in mgt was intense I mean you could feel it. We had a town hall meeting and the CEO announced the news explaining that loosing the account meant that we would loose 5% in earnings. They tried to express some optimism saying that we shall get new clients but....that didn't happen, the prospective clients chickened out and delayed, the others started delaying their renewal of contracts. My colleague came to me and said..."see, all this was predicted by Buddha". Anyway, long story short my then employer was later acquired by a competitor and people lost jobs because of redundancy.

So back to my question what is the science that allows 'information' to travel back in time to a gifted person? Are some of our brains an antenna of sort?


Here is how I would view such an outcome. Assuming no prediction is made by any medium, is it likely for such an outcome to happen (successful company losing a major client)? If the answer you give is very likely, then I have no reason to believe the medium had access to special information. Anyone can make that prediction and immediately gain a 50% chance of their prediction happening. You did not tell us whether the medium predicted the time and how exactly the business would suffer loss. His/her probability is none-zero, so the antenna hypothesis is nullified.
First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
Apricot
#116 Posted : Monday, March 20, 2017 2:52:31 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Alphadoti take your radicalization teachings elsewhere.Alshabaab=Muslims.Admin should deal with Alshabaab fellows here ruthlessly.

What is radical teachings... Pliz allow @Laughing out loudly! and team church to explain why Jesus is killing children of the adulteress. I don't think you're qalualified to handle matters here. Stick to your lane of hating WSR... you made some vow that if he's not jailed by ICC, then you would do I don't nkow what! Why are you still here.

And since you've confessed once that you also eat chips-funga, be ready for whatthe Jesus promises you here: Revelation 2:22-23: "...and I will make those who commit ADULTERY with her suffer intensely..."



Where did you read about Jesus killing children? If you want to know about Jesus, go read the Bible,it's a book available to everybody. If you can find a passage where you can find fault during his life here on earth, let us know. It is unfair for you to bring up Jesus just like it would be unfair for us to bring up 'the prophet'.

@2012, which book is Revelation 2:22-23? It is not the Bible? You're displaying your ignorance of the Bible bro... people here are not fools, they're going to GOOGLE the verse and see who is trying to fool who here smile

I brought up this verse for @lonest! Read all posts in this page abive, esplied to him for you to understand...

There's nothing you can quote in law of YAHWEH or Allah in Arabic that we cannot show you in Bible

It's not about what is written but how you've chosen to interpret it out of context to suit your purpose. The verse refers to Jezebel and her offsprings. If anyone is interested, read the chapter.

Yes, it is written, and the ink has dried. That's all. Jezebel the adulteress... in the New Testament... she faced the punishment.


It is very interesting how some of us quote the bible (out of context for sure) to justify our narrative. Mark 9:1 (KJV) for example says "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." The audience here is the apostles and Jesus makes it clear some will be alive to witness the kingdom come. But how many of us like to believe the audience is ourselves? Same applies to Mathew 24:34. Is it the generation of his time or our generation?
First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
murchr
#117 Posted : Monday, March 20, 2017 3:20:01 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Apricot wrote:
murchr wrote:
What is the mechanism or physics that allows 'information' to travel back in time to a gifted medium?

We have all heard of those people we call prophets - Koitalel, Syokimau etc who predicted the coming of the white man and the rail.

My experience

A few years ago, I was working at a company that seemed to be doing very well. Upward trajectory was the norm hitting targets and all. So when a colleague came to me one day and told me that he's looking for another job because "this company is not doing good", I could not believe it. I asked him why he said that and he told me that he visited a Buddhist priest (Buddha) out of town who told gave him the prophesy.

Honestly, I laughed it off. But I didn't dismiss him because it would have been rude and disrespectful.

A few months down the line, the company lost the largest client, the panic in mgt was intense I mean you could feel it. We had a town hall meeting and the CEO announced the news explaining that loosing the account meant that we would loose 5% in earnings. They tried to express some optimism saying that we shall get new clients but....that didn't happen, the prospective clients chickened out and delayed, the others started delaying their renewal of contracts. My colleague came to me and said..."see, all this was predicted by Buddha". Anyway, long story short my then employer was later acquired by a competitor and people lost jobs because of redundancy.

So back to my question what is the science that allows 'information' to travel back in time to a gifted person? Are some of our brains an antenna of sort?


Here is how I would view such an outcome. Assuming no prediction is made by any medium, is it likely for such an outcome to happen (successful company losing a major client)? If the answer you give is very likely, then I have no reason to believe the medium had access to special information. Anyone can make that prediction and immediately gain a 50% chance of their prediction happening. You did not tell us whether the medium predicted the time and how exactly the business would suffer loss. His/her probability is none-zero, so the antenna hypothesis is nullified.


Fair enough, we could say that the medium played a 50% probability theory. That medium also foretold this dude that he would not marry the woman he was dating, that was before the company issue came up so my conclusion to that was he may have made his mind because of that.

Anyway, after the company issue went down, i have been investigating alot and i have realized that even cops in kiash land use psychic detectives to solve crime.

If anything, how do we explain Leonardo da Vinci and his inventions/drawings?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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tycho
#118 Posted : Monday, March 20, 2017 6:29:46 AM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
tycho wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tycho wrote:


God has to be sought afresh.

Or rather, God has to reveal himself/herself/itself again. Because our political history has come to a dead end.


In my view it may be more of man rediscovering himself.

Some say we are spiritual beings having a human experience. I tend to agree with this view.


Spirituality is political @mtu biz. When the political context changes, human spirituality and ideas/realities of God also change.

I count it as a sign of oppression, when for example, it's said that religion/faith is seperate from the state, or God isn't accessed through the history of a people. Unfortunately, this is the case for so many of us, that God is accessed through a priesthood and a specialized institution radically removed from our cultural history.

Our spirituality is our humanity and vice versa.


What is to be made of the diversity in spiritual expression?
Or the political context can somehow influence such diversity?


Diversity in spiritual expression is a consequence of diversity of action and human experience. Politics is always about conflict and ways of resolving these conflicts.

Life is a continuous experience of conflict, and spirituality a continuous attempt at resolution.

tycho
#119 Posted : Monday, March 20, 2017 6:56:06 AM
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@murchr, there's a science for opening the 'third eye'. Basically it's a 'science of overcoming the inhibitions of the mind'.

In my own words, it's the science emerging from the laws of tradition. If you do a comparative study of religions you'll find them.

As for the mechanics of this science I have competing theories, or maybe I'm moving towards joining them.

The first being based on AI and machine learning algorithms. Basically, by not having 'psychological complexes' the mind becomes more efficient in processing information and can generate insight more easily.

A second idea I'm exploring is the implication of quantum mechanics and computing. If the smallest state of being is a vibrating string, and given that quantum mechanics has interesting features like quantum tunnelling, then it's plausible to deduce that all strings and wave particles are connected and can communicate. All that's needed is frequency resonance, something that can be effected with conscious mind control.

As you can see both approaches may be complimentary and interdependent.

There's a book on pdf on how to be a psychic written by a skeptic. If you look at the mechanics involved they get close to social engineering and iteration of possible facts... this kind of works with the AI and machine learning theory...

One day I tried to use the mind in dream state, to help me have a clue about people who'd stolen a vehicle and abducted and probably killed the driver. The dream that came to me was about some football players in Ruaraka. I wrote down the dream and the next time I met my friend it emerged that the dream had offered valid clues.

I've repeated similar experiments on different issues and the performance has been impressive. The only thing is that this is usually very difficult work. For example, today I was dreaming about the history of Kenya and there were some interesting ideas that came up, but I've made no effort to recall and record the dream for interpretation. Why? I'm too tired...

Ngalaka
#120 Posted : Monday, March 20, 2017 9:59:57 AM
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How can it be ok that someone can so casually advocate here that it is fine for people to kill others if they walk away from their religion?

Then go ahead to advocate that other religions should do the same – carry out killings - by essentially drawing similar interpretation.

Is that how they socialize their young ones!!!
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