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Iganamagana
#61 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:23:05 PM
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hamburglar wrote:
You are dangerously close to liberation the moment you start questioning religion and gods.

I have never had any doubts about my atheism. Not even for one minute.

You guys all have doubts about religion and that right there speaks volumes. Something is definitely amiss somewhere.

I honestly feel sorry for religious people, they are depriving themselves of a lot of happiness with all that nonsense.

I have never been so sure of anything in my life like how sure I am about atheism. I am more sure of this than I am of tycho being clinically insane. And we all know that Tycho is a certified nutjob.


Boss. Can you go into hiding right away?
Ngogoyo
#62 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:19:15 PM
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radio wrote:
@ngogoyo, how long have you had this struggle? Do you think it is a phase of life you can overcome over time?

Anyone who has been down this road of unbelief and changed later?


Been in this struggle since 2001/2002. I thought its a phase but i was wrong

@tyco i think i will go with 1. Embark on a journey to create a narrative that can fulfill the stated conditions
Ngogoyo
#63 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:21:56 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ngogoyo wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
My my..

We are a big grouping. I also suffer the same dilemma. Initially I used to get into arguments Humbuglar style and strongly denounce religion for all the hypocrisy it stands for. But after getting kids and a family, I have mellowed down and accepted its place in society.

I don't go to church but my wife takes the kids to church although she may skip one or two sometimes. The kids get a lot of religious education and dogma in school so to avoid confusing them, its best you take them to church because society demands it.

dont you feel a sense of 'losing out' when you don't accompany your children to church or pray with them?

I would recommend you read about other religions. - Islam is easy to get, its simply Christianity which has been radicalized (or stuck in the middle ages) and turned into a political system
- Hinduism is very interesting and in my opinion has done the most to explain origin, spirits, afterlife and the existence of a higher power.
- Budhism is all about self (have to confess I have not given it enough time)

Reading this convinced me that religion exists to explain death and afterlife.


I am very sure people are suspicious of each other. Laughing out loudly . Its comforting and at the same time worrtying that i am not alone in this.

I will study Hinduism (of course for sport), Islam no. My wife would bring the whole church for prayers if she was to see the Koran in our house.

I fully agree with your sentiments.



That is very true...... you can study any other religion for whatever reason but not Islam ~ Radicalization tingz. I would even report you to the local chief, OCS, Family wote and your employer. Also hold a night of vigil and prayer for you. Of course conjugal rights will go until you recover your senses, siwezi na Muslim smile smile smile


Told you they are dangerous, these followers of Christ.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly could @AA be my wife noooo! she sounds like
Ngogoyo
#64 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:26:38 PM
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Let's get this right first and foremost, did anyone touch you inappropriately during your time as an altar boy? There seem to be underlying issue here and I want to make sure we're treating the right ailment.

Thanks you

Legendary Rollout 10k Drunkard
[/quote]

Haha no. I always did the bare minimum at the church anyway. like taking place for alter boys who are absent.
Ngogoyo
#65 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:39:58 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
@ngogoyo, read my story...

But first some introduction... You see, every child is born in a state Fitra. That means, every baby when born has recognition of God, a Creator imprinted in the soul, as a part of their nature. It's the parents who make that child a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist or Atheist. Naturally, a child submits to physical laws of universe, the soul too submits naturally to fact that God is his Lord and Creator. But, the parents try to make him follow their own way (read religion) and child at that early age is not strong enough to resist or oppose the will of his parents - customs and upbringing.

Now when you reach adulthood, 
- you need to use your mind,
- INVESTIGATE
- Why should you be blind to something that might have impact on your life?
- and come into your own conclusion

MY STORY NOW
It might surprise you when I tell you that I was born and raised in Catholic home (catholic parents) and came to Islam on my own! What happened? I used to be curious about believes of other religions. When I was the university, I studied them. And guess what I found alot of questionable things in the Church. The more I thought about the beliefs in church, the more I saw more and the more I questioned. Eventually I stopped going to church completely because whenever I questioned some things that were not making sense, I was told "Just belief"

When I researched Islam, I discovered that its teachings are making sense e.g. commandments of God including where God said: "I'm the Only God, there is no other" (which the church violated by bringin in trinity); In another place says "Do not draw, or mold, or carve or ... images of anything in heaven, air, water and earth" (which the church violated); another place says "Do not bow down to those things" (which the church violated)


continue with the story, i'm following. But am not sure if i will not be reported to the OCS
Ngogoyo
#66 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:47:09 PM
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Mtu Biz wrote:

I see two types of people. Those who have temporarily settled on some form of absolute truth (Theory of Everything) and those who are still looking, weighing and asking questions.


My story...

Let me hopefully summarize.

Went to church with folks in lower primary until i think class 5 when i joined my dad in not going anymore..
Always wondered why i could not be good 100% like the pastors told us to be at that time.

In my pre teens and early teens came across some material at the back of some comic books about how to get powers like spiderman etc

experimented with medidating to be able to move objects with my mind(didnt know what i was doing)..Ended up getting the most weird types of 'dreams' after that. Later came to learn that these were Out of Body experiences also known as astral projection in some quarters.

Got 'saved' in high school for 1 term. Was prayed for etc went for CU but decided to drop it when closing day approached...lol coudnt imagine telling my boys back home that im saved.
Came back the following term backslidden.

Lived the textbook (Booze Clubbing Girls some weed)secular teen and post teen life until about 4th year campus

Had an experience which i have come to see is given many names depending on the dominant culture... I called it salvation, some call it ego death etc.
But i was literally born again, i became a new person at/after that experience... i was alone.. no church no pastor no stretching of hands to the TV no guru no imam no book i was reading nothing....

Just me on a Thursday morning during a power blackout.

I came out of that experience with zero ego reference points..The usual mind chatter and judgements about everything was gone.
And literally everything was brand new....everything was pristine. I think i saw the sun for the first time that day.
So...
Was later advised to go to church and get baptized as i was now born again (and from my experience i literally was running a new operating system). The old me and my old ways seemed like the story of someone else or a dream i had.

My disappointment with church experiences started early...

I had assumed everyone is there on the basis of a similar experience and we can all have wonderful fellowship. I was wrong.

I questioned the method used in church of 'getting saved'. Repeating a prayer (which is not in the bible) then a pastor of whoever declares you saved.
Among many other things....

Fast foreword to marriage and fatherhood....

I'am pretty much going through the motions described by others here so as not to rock the family boat too much on matters spiritual.

I have since found out that my 'salvation' experience above is shared by others who do not attribute it to Christianity or Christ.

I recently read the story of Eckhart Tolle (Yes that new age Eckhart Tolle) and i was shocked at the similarity of his experience and mine.

I have also followed stories of folks who have tripped on psychedelics and other forms of altered states of consciousness... Same ego death thread in those experiences

Let me back up a bit... There is a Quantum physics / Quantum mechanics experiment (The double slit experiment) which was a serious eye opener for me... and research down that road let me to looking into sacred geometry (which makes a lot of sense)


Ok chronologically...

My ego construct dies iam born again > Go to church Get baptized > Disagree with most stuff except the direct teachings of Jesus > Do some research > Quantum physics(big eye opener) > Psychology on the Ego Out of Body Experiences etc > Sacred Geometry > Alternative Story of human history (Very intriguing).....
All this is over a 15 year period.

The curious thing about my research is that these seemingly disjointed pieces of the puzzle (Outside religious dogma) seem to agree with each other on different levels.

And they explain my experiences in a way i can connect with.



Now this is something. Out of curiosity, do some people look at you weirdly? I would tend to think so based on how you perceive nature and humanity!
Ngogoyo
#67 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:56:22 PM
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2012 wrote:



Boss, you are me! This sounds like my story. I was raised Catholic too and I was an alter boy all through secondary school.

My suggestion is, keep seeking God and not church. Eventually you will know. The best thing about church is you will find like-minded people or people you can walk with. Decide what principles you want for your family and then look for a church that best answers that.
Be clear when you say that churches are money minded because if you look deeper, you might find that they are actually using the funds well and you know that they need the money to pay staff and bills not forgetting the financing of projects and poor students and children. Many churches now have AGMs where they present the figures and budgets to their congregants. So do not let the money issue deter you. What I say is, when I give, I do not give to man and if the man misuses the offering then he will answer to God who will still bless you.[/quote]

That is blind belief. If i can tell it will be misused, why give?
Ngogoyo
#68 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:02:54 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:

@Alphdoti

Belief systems have the same inherent character.

Duality.

We are right and they are wrong.

I'm not interested in going from one to another.

There exists information/knowledge out there about what/who we are and what this reality is about beyond the drama of duality.

Iam integrating this information on my own terms at my own pace and making my own conclusions based on my own experiences.

This path resonates with me.



@mtubiz, yours has been quite a journey bro. And I can tell you are really searching for answers. That stuff is too deep for some of us.

@ngogoyo and the rest of us are cowards who blend in with the crowds while battling with unanswered questions on the inside. Don't rock the boat philosophy.

Luckily for us, the so-called Christian believers are so fake to discover our act.


Maybe it sounds sharp and with it to attack Christians, but even the Bible is clear; only God can truly know the heart of Man! It has nothing to do with authenticity!

When Samuel went to Jesse's house to anoint the new king:
Quote:
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”


@Laughing out loudly If there was no bible and the white man never came to the "dark continent", what would you be quoting?

I do feel you but it's lame to explain everything using bible eyes. You and @Alpha are on the same page.
Lolest!
#69 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:48:01 PM
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Ngogoyo wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:

@Alphdoti

Belief systems have the same inherent character.

Duality.

We are right and they are wrong.

I'm not interested in going from one to another.

There exists information/knowledge out there about what/who we are and what this reality is about beyond the drama of duality.

Iam integrating this information on my own terms at my own pace and making my own conclusions based on my own experiences.

This path resonates with me.



@mtubiz, yours has been quite a journey bro. And I can tell you are really searching for answers. That stuff is too deep for some of us.

@ngogoyo and the rest of us are cowards who blend in with the crowds while battling with unanswered questions on the inside. Don't rock the boat philosophy.

Luckily for us, the so-called Christian believers are so fake to discover our act.


Maybe it sounds sharp and with it to attack Christians, but even the Bible is clear; only God can truly know the heart of Man! It has nothing to do with authenticity!

When Samuel went to Jesse's house to anoint the new king:
Quote:
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”


@Laughing out loudly If there was no bible and the white man never came to the "dark continent", what would you be quoting?

I do feel you but it's lame to explain everything using bible eyes. You and @Alpha are on the same page.

I haven't yet made an argument against atheism/being confused

That was a rebuttal against the notion that those religious people(Christians) are unable to recognise this guy's fakeness because they themselves are fake

They cannot, only the living God can

BTW, how did you know that I'm not Oromo? You know these guys have been Christians even before Europeans!

So the notion that Christianity is the white man's faith is false! The Ethiopian Orthodox church is oooolllllddddd!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Lolest!
#70 Posted : Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:50:38 PM
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Ngogoyo wrote:
2012 wrote:



Boss, you are me! This sounds like my story. I was raised Catholic too and I was an alter boy all through secondary school.

My suggestion is, keep seeking God and not church. Eventually you will know. The best thing about church is you will find like-minded people or people you can walk with. Decide what principles you want for your family and then look for a church that best answers that.
Be clear when you say that churches are money minded because if you look deeper, you might find that they are actually using the funds well and you know that they need the money to pay staff and bills not forgetting the financing of projects and poor students and children. Many churches now have AGMs where they present the figures and budgets to their congregants. So do not let the money issue deter you. What I say is, when I give, I do not give to man and if the man misuses the offering then he will answer to God who will still bless you.


That is blind belief. If i can tell it will be misused, why give?[/quote]
Yeah, if you're sure it will be misused, don't!
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