You are very ignorant. The verse is self explanatory. This is what it say in Quran 9:30: "The Jews call ´Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

People are not stupid. They know how to read. And they understand it. You want to force other meanings to suit your mentality.

Only Mohamed Abbas faction half heartedly recognises Israel, after it was so coerced.
And as expected, Mohamed Abbas is under threat for that recognition.
Hamas on the other hand remains as militant as they come.

The assassination of Yitzak Rabin was the hardiwork of one deranged man not representative at all of the preferred approach of the people of Israel.

@liv, you can go and ask them why.

As I said before, you're surely "new" here as far this topic is concerned. We've discussed this million times. I have said here again and again that ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab are all criminal groups. They don't represent Islam. Islam does not teach anyone that. Islam is against killing an innocent person.

I've emphasized that killing of the innocent civilians, whether through aggression or suicidal means, is under no circumstances permissible in Islam. So as far as terrorism is concerned, it is haram in Islam and whoever does, will go to hell.

Do you understand it?

If you don't understand, please refer here for my response on this...

But these groups (ISIS, Alqaeda,Taliban, Boko Haram, Al shaabab etc) have and continue to kill, or physically harm Muslims more than Israel has ever done, yet we dont see much or near equal condemnation here!

This is for @liv. I think @nandwa has already understood...

Even if anybody shouts Allah Akbar and shoots at innocent people, that does not make him a true Muslim. The same way if somebody holds a Bible and says "praise Jesus" and cheats people with potassium permanganate to make fake blood, that does not make him a true Christian. The same way those Johns, Peters, Matthews, Davids we see robbing, stealing, hijacking, killing are not called Christians just by their names alone.

To be fair, anybody killing anyone who is innocent, are enemies of Islam who disguise themselves as Muslims after years of training, to deface Islam and Muslims. So, don't call them Muslims. They are criminals.



HEY: Let us now go back to the subject matter.

The sad reality remains; Religion is the worst invention by man.

You do not believe in this, what does it interest you? If you're interested in debating that, please we have atheist thread, meet me there... Otherwise, verbal rhetoric are useless. See the statement below which valid to this day:

Allaah says: "Do they not then consider the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allaah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions." Quran 4:82

Islam is perfect, Muslims are not, so don't be confused brother. The Quran where laws of Islam are derived from is 100% the literal word of God: beyond reproach and inviolable. But, Muslims ARE human beings and ARE susceptible to corruption and CAN go on the wrong path.

Similarly, those who call themselves Christians are just human being and they can make mistakes or be corrupted.

@Alpha, as much as you admire and believe in your faith, your extra-ordinary claims cannot go unchallenged. Islam is the youngest of the three main faiths we know and like Christianity has plagiarized many of its teaching from the older religions, especially the Jewish faith. When you claim that it is the literal word of God here, what you want us to believe is this - that God or more accurately angel Gabriel dictated words directly to prophet Mohammed (you don't tell us how literate he was), but that he was able to write and compile the dictation in the form that it is today, totally unchanged! You want us to believe that? Note that any quote from your Koran to explain this does not mean anything to me, and I would expect the same if I was questioning a biblical contradiction.

My other previous answers here

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@ Alpha,
I know engaging you will lead to endless unproductive exchanges, so here is my answer to your past, present and future posts on matters Islam:

I see no purpose debating any claims of celestial/human being interaction from any religion especially one that claims its prophet and book are perfect, that it is the last and final revelation. Such matters can only be debated theologically and that is not my forte. However, a divine revelation to an illiterate merchant resulting in material so similar to the Old Testament - approximately 600 years after the Old Testaments was written does not sound too original even though we are made to believe differently. The only evidence for its claims is that adduced by those to whom the divine revelation was supposedly made to. This is very convenient. Like other religions before it, there is an inverse relationship between the claims it makes and the evidence it produces for its claims. Furthermore, Islam is a religion that makes large claims, whilst maintaining that such claims should not be questioned or scrutinized, which smirks of totalitarianism. It is a religion structured in a way that any challenge to it is considered profane and inevitably leads to heresy. How can we debate claims that have no evidentiary proof (besides theological proof).

I don’t know your purpose for defending Islam so vigorously in Wazua, but if you are proselytizing, then like I reminded you before you are preaching to the choir. People will not leave their current celestial dictatorship to hop on to another that is even more totalitarian; claiming to be a solution for everything from sexuality, relationships, banking, diet, afterlife, etc., but I may be wrong. Good luck however.