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Rank: Member Joined: 9/9/2015 Posts: 233
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maka wrote:Liv wrote:maka wrote:bartum wrote:@maka what does this mean
IFB 1/2017/12Yr 13.5073 95.1457 95.0770 100,000,000
Traded yield : 13.5073 Clean Price per 100 : 95.0770 Dirty Price per 100: 95.1457 Volume : 100,000,000
Just wondering why would someone want to buy at that price ...... instead of buying from the tap sale which has a better yield. Hiyo bond market imejaa mafioso ... Are we not going to see 18%. Or should I temper my dreams "Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own."
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/9/2015 Posts: 233
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Id rather lend at 5%pm to a well vetted friend "Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,696 Location: NAIROBI
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maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 5/22/2016 Posts: 69 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Could someone help out a newbie here by explaining how to get the yield for the above bond?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Hobitke wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Could someone help out a newbie here by explaining how to get the yield for the above bond? Rephrase the question utasaidiwa... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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hisah wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... Really?I doubt rates will go down anytime soon...Under subscription is the order of the day so far despite what the dailies are saying and with that we will never see low rates... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:hisah wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... Really?I doubt rates will go down anytime soon...Under subscription is the order of the day so far despite what the dailies are saying and with that we will never see low rates... Plus they are borrowing crazy amounts back to back 30B auctions its kinda new...a few years back the gava used to do 15-20B max...an additional 10 B per auction is quite a bit... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 5/22/2016 Posts: 69 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:Hobitke wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Could someone help out a newbie here by explaining how to get the yield for the above bond? Rephrase the question utasaidiwa... @Maka , what is the yield of the bond?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Hobitke wrote:maka wrote:Hobitke wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Could someone help out a newbie here by explaining how to get the yield for the above bond? Rephrase the question utasaidiwa... @Maka , what is the yield of the bond? The yield will be determined at auction...so its wise if you just quote at average (plus that applies to amounts less than 20m...above 20m you have to quote a bid rate). possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:maka wrote:hisah wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... Really?I doubt rates will go down anytime soon...Under subscription is the order of the day so far despite what the dailies are saying and with that we will never see low rates... Plus they are borrowing crazy amounts back to back 30B auctions its kinda new...a few years back the gava used to do 15-20B max...an additional 10 B per auction is quite a bit...   possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/18/2014 Posts: 1,127
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hisah wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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lochaz-index wrote:hisah wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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maka wrote:lochaz-index wrote:hisah wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy? If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku!$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/18/2014 Posts: 1,127
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maka wrote:lochaz-index wrote:hisah wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... That's right. The allure of a prolonged bull in any market is hard to resist and most of the new(er) participants are almost always ill equipped to get the hang of it. They come in hoping to make a kill but end up disappointed and/or impoverished when the tide changes. The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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lochaz-index wrote:hisah wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can.
I thought you said you expect the bear to continue even after the elections.... Now you are advising people to buy stocks now and continue accumulating? What has changed?
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2015 Posts: 151
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Liv wrote:lochaz-index wrote:hisah wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can.
I thought you said you expect the bear to continue even after the elections.... Now you are advising people to buy stocks now and continue accumulating? What has changed? Makes two of us. Half the time I don't get TA analysts
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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MadDoc wrote:Liv wrote:lochaz-index wrote:hisah wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ericsson wrote:maka wrote:https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!
The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?
Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can.
I thought you said you expect the bear to continue even after the elections.... Now you are advising people to buy stocks now and continue accumulating? What has changed? Makes two of us. Half the time I don't get TA analysts
I doubt @ Lochaz-index was basing his argument on the TA.... He based it on the fundamentals of the country,...debt levels and the effect on GDP growth and the dollar exchange rates.
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