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The abortion Debate
famooz
#1 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:09:02 AM
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I know this is very controversial esp. because i am of the Faith.BUT I think we have heard a lot about abortion( esp. because of Katiba) to last us a lifetime. It is pretentious to bury our heads in the sand and pretend that we do not have a problem. Even in more developed countries, there are pro- life and pro- choice groups.

However pro- life groups in these more developed countries are not religious entities, so when they talk about right to life, they move the discussion forward by seeking to address the root cause of the problem.-Why do women seek abortion. Most of these women will say they just cannot afford to raise a child. So the question begs, why then didn’t they use protection ?

How about giving the masses some real solutions?

Improve adoption laws
Promote both abstinence and protection/condoms

But in the church, we talk of abstinence as the only way- it is a charade. I am probably voicing my own frustrations as a Christian, knowing the real solutions cannot and do NOT come in shouting No to abortions- may be there is a different way of doing things?



mukhamba!
#2 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:15:50 PM
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Like one person said, if you are against abortion(i do not want to say the church) give these people an alternative. Like, if you keep the baby we can take him/her and put in a home or you can put him/her up for adoption. No one gives these women(many underage) an option so they see abortion as the simplest option.
kenyanbeef
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:46:23 PM
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No woman will find out they are pregnant n run to have an abortion because it is 'legal'.Shame on you

No woman will now strut to a hospital oozing confidence to procure an abortion because it is 'legal'.Shame on you

No woman today who needed to have a pregnancy terminated failed to do so because it was 'illegal'. Sad thing is some lose their lives in the process.

Tafakari hayo.
masukuma
#4 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:09:44 PM
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@mukhamba, I agree totally. we need options. kenyabeef - unless you have traveled to the future or a relative of Nguata Francis. you cannot confidently assert that
kenyanbeef wrote:

No woman will find out they are pregnant n run to have an abortion because it is 'legal'.

No woman will now strut to a hospital oozing confidence to procure an abortion because it is 'legal'.
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famooz
#5 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:35:55 PM
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@ kenyabeef,yes a woman would seek abortion if readily available,but you missed the point of this thread altogether.......
cruso
#6 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:58:18 PM
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@famooz, there are a number of children homes that are always willing to take the so called unwanted babies, you only need to check them out. There are also christian organisations which take care of what they call crisis pregnancies. So the solutions are there but many churches do not heavily invest in such. May be if they do, we would be talking of a different story now.

As we were discussing this very matter with my old man (who doesn't use condoms), he possed a question to me and I was puzzled...it went like this...

''Youngman, if its true that the man's sperm determines whether the baby will be a boy or a girl, who told you that using condoms is not abortion?''

Now that is 'tafakari ya babu' what do you make of that?
RELIGION = MAN LOOKING FOR GOD AND SALVATION = GOD LOOKING FOR MAN.
mukhamba!
#7 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:07:44 PM
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"Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo, resulting in or caused by its death."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion

Cruso..notice how they say "expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo"
mukhamba!
#8 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:11:09 PM
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Clearly you need both a sperm and an ovary to make an embryo
famooz
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:21:57 PM
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@ cruso ,So using a condom is tantamount to abortion? retrogressive nikitafakari !!!
cruso
#10 Posted : Friday, May 14, 2010 6:40:42 AM
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@mukhamba! n @famooz...I hear you clearly, these are moral issues and everyone will always look at them from their own moral background. I think the big question is, can we as a society live with a certain understanding, say, abortion can only take place after the sperm n the ovary have fussed n there is an embryo. Anything before that cannot be termed as abortion. But as I said, this is a moral issue and therefore encompasses beliefs, emmotions, values and perceptions.
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