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Kikuyus: Or these people: From Nyeri vs From Kiambu
tycho
#61 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 1:49:02 PM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:
I think Alma is having a meltdown. His pet perspectives have been getting defeats from which they cannot recover one by one the latest one being the doctors thing.


It's interesting that he's also caused a meltdown on this side. Sign of being worked on intensely.



alma1
#62 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 2:08:45 PM
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tycho wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
I think Alma is having a meltdown. His pet perspectives have been getting defeats from which they cannot recover one by one the latest one being the doctors thing.


It's interesting that he's also caused a meltdown on this side. Sign of being worked on intensely.





Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly thus far, I've not been able to pay bills, I'm against andu my brothers, now I'm having a meltdown Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

I just highlighted the ugliness of some people. Using this nyumba nonsense on each and every issue. As if they have ever come help me pay rent.

This mentality must stop and we shall help it end. However, sad or disappointed you are about it. Like I'm supposed to care about your feelings? ha!

We are either going to get our 2017 versions of homeguards talking about real issues affecting the common man. Or we stop listening to them.

If that's painful or you wish to paint me as tribalist, pole. All I can do on my side is just laugh and post another wise saying.

Voters must learn to vote for their own bellies. Not for the bellies of people who show up after leaving the bank with gunias of money.

If that's a tribal concept, so be it.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

2012
#63 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 2:26:55 PM
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I'm struggling to figure what this thread is about. We all know that the Kikuyus whether from Nyeri, Laikipia, Naivasha or Kiambu will vote as a block. We have history o prove it. Dividing that vote is a dream. People from Central always vote for the person who can best take care of their agendas and it is most likely one of their own. Another reason is the Kikuyus whether you beleive it or not, are are even more democratic than most. Looking at the last elections, more than half of the presidential candidates were from Central but they voted almost to the last man the person they thought had the best chance of winning and represented their interest. In any democracy in the world, you vote for the person who best represents your interests. You will never divide them by dialect or region, your best strategy should be to listen to what they want and try to negotiate if you want a piece of their vote.

BBI will solve it
:)
maka
#64 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 2:29:32 PM
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2012 wrote:
I'm struggling to figure what this thread is about. We all know that the Kikuyus whether from Nyeri, Laikipia, Naivasha or Kiambu will vote as a block. We have history o prove it. Dividing that vote is a dream. People from Central always vote for the person who can best take care of their agendas and it is most likely one of their own. Another reason is the Kikuyus whether you beleive it or not, are are even more democratic than most. Looking at the last elections, more than half of the presidential candidates were from Central but they voted almost to the last man the person they thought had the best chance of winning and represented their interest. In any democracy in the world, you vote for the person who best represents your interests. You will never divide them by dialect or region, your best strategy should be to listen to what they want and try to negotiate if you want a piece of their vote.


Now my question would be....How have they gained from this again?The ordinary folk in the village how have they gained?
possunt quia posse videntur
wukan
#65 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 2:37:03 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
The greatest advocate for the poor Kikuyu peasant was Jaramogi Oginga Odinga.
Read 'Not yet Uhuru '

No wonder they had to initiate the oathing ceremonies soon after.


Quote:
"Under the KANU government the peasant has for the most part remained as he always was. The wealth of a privileged few in government has had a demoralising effect on their poor countrymen called on to make sacrifices for Uhuru. The politicians have clung to position and been prepared to abandon principles because they have developed an appetite for power and for property that grows with each new form of promotion. This is a leadership that has not shown the moral or the intellectual strength to withstand the pressure of civil service advisers trained in the old ways of the colonial administration to the external economic and political pressures working against true Kenyan independence."


hardwood
#66 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 2:49:06 PM
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maka wrote:
2012 wrote:
I'm struggling to figure what this thread is about. We all know that the Kikuyus whether from Nyeri, Laikipia, Naivasha or Kiambu will vote as a block. We have history o prove it. Dividing that vote is a dream. People from Central always vote for the person who can best take care of their agendas and it is most likely one of their own. Another reason is the Kikuyus whether you beleive it or not, are are even more democratic than most. Looking at the last elections, more than half of the presidential candidates were from Central but they voted almost to the last man the person they thought had the best chance of winning and represented their interest. In any democracy in the world, you vote for the person who best represents your interests. You will never divide them by dialect or region, your best strategy should be to listen to what they want and try to negotiate if you want a piece of their vote.


Now my question would be....How have they gained from this again?The ordinary folk in the village how have they gained?


They have electric power in the villages, piped water, tarmac roads, improved dairy, tea, coffee, macadamia prices, free primary and secondary education, top range medical equipment in hospitals, peace in RV diaspora etc etc.
2012
#67 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 2:58:20 PM
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maka wrote:
2012 wrote:
I'm struggling to figure what this thread is about. We all know that the Kikuyus whether from Nyeri, Laikipia, Naivasha or Kiambu will vote as a block. We have history o prove it. Dividing that vote is a dream. People from Central always vote for the person who can best take care of their agendas and it is most likely one of their own. Another reason is the Kikuyus whether you beleive it or not, are are even more democratic than most. Looking at the last elections, more than half of the presidential candidates were from Central but they voted almost to the last man the person they thought had the best chance of winning and represented their interest. In any democracy in the world, you vote for the person who best represents your interests. You will never divide them by dialect or region, your best strategy should be to listen to what they want and try to negotiate if you want a piece of their vote.


Now my question would be....How have they gained from this again?The ordinary folk in the village how have they gained?


They've gained immensely. Compared to other regions, they are far ahead in infrastructure, energy, water, food, education, hospitals, growing businesses etc. while their complains are about, alcohol, land disputes, thugs... these are slightly strange complaints compared to other regions.

BBI will solve it
:)
maka
#68 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 3:08:39 PM
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2012 wrote:
maka wrote:
2012 wrote:
I'm struggling to figure what this thread is about. We all know that the Kikuyus whether from Nyeri, Laikipia, Naivasha or Kiambu will vote as a block. We have history o prove it. Dividing that vote is a dream. People from Central always vote for the person who can best take care of their agendas and it is most likely one of their own. Another reason is the Kikuyus whether you beleive it or not, are are even more democratic than most. Looking at the last elections, more than half of the presidential candidates were from Central but they voted almost to the last man the person they thought had the best chance of winning and represented their interest. In any democracy in the world, you vote for the person who best represents your interests. You will never divide them by dialect or region, your best strategy should be to listen to what they want and try to negotiate if you want a piece of their vote.


Now my question would be....How have they gained from this again?The ordinary folk in the village how have they gained?


They've gained immensely. Compared to other regions, they are far ahead in infrastructure, energy, water, food, education, hospitals, growing businesses etc. while their complains are about, alcohol, land disputes, thugs... these are slightly strange complaints compared to other regions.



Ohhh never realised...good for them then.
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kaka2za
#69 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 3:10:35 PM
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maka wrote:
2012 wrote:
maka wrote:
2012 wrote:
I'm struggling to figure what this thread is about. We all know that the Kikuyus whether from Nyeri, Laikipia, Naivasha or Kiambu will vote as a block. We have history o prove it. Dividing that vote is a dream. People from Central always vote for the person who can best take care of their agendas and it is most likely one of their own. Another reason is the Kikuyus whether you beleive it or not, are are even more democratic than most. Looking at the last elections, more than half of the presidential candidates were from Central but they voted almost to the last man the person they thought had the best chance of winning and represented their interest. In any democracy in the world, you vote for the person who best represents your interests. You will never divide them by dialect or region, your best strategy should be to listen to what they want and try to negotiate if you want a piece of their vote.


Now my question would be....How have they gained from this again?The ordinary folk in the village how have they gained?


They've gained immensely. Compared to other regions, they are far ahead in infrastructure, energy, water, food, education, hospitals, growing businesses etc. while their complains are about, alcohol, land disputes, thugs... these are slightly strange complaints compared to other regions.



Ohhh never realised...good for them then.


I can't prove it but the poorest people in Kenya are from the 'richest' community.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Vallerrie
#70 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 3:10:35 PM
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wukan wrote:
Vallerrie wrote:
This would have been a very educative thread had it not gone all political.


Let me attempt to be educative. During the colonial period there were lots of okuyos who were taken from their "ancestral lands" to work in the settler farms in the Rift valley. Mostly from Murang'a and Kiambu to form the RV diaspora cousins. Now around the 1950's the colonial govt then decided to kick out rift valley squatters. When they came back to ancestral lands they found the lands had been grabbed. Other militant squatters were thrown to Nyeri. Lacking land jobs or skills this core of landless peasants became the maumau to fight for their land from the settlers and the locals.

The Kiambu guys did not support maumau for the simple reason being close to Nairobi they were really enjoying economic benefits. Most of the grabbing was done using the land courts so the system worked in their favour.

Murang'a guys because of being herded into colonial villages got together formed companies and adopted business and took over lower Nairobi and also banking/sacco business. Nyeri guys were left with only education to advance opportunities in life and were taken like the poor sons of maumau remnants.

These divisions are purely economic sibling rivalry which formed during the colonial period.

After independence to protect wealth kiambu got into govt. with the vow that the presidential motorcade would never cross the chania river. Of course the motorcade crossed the river when Kibaki won with Kiambu firmly backing Uhuru in 2002 and also 2005 referendum.

Kiambu is still benefiting from its close proximity to the city. With mess in the city the middle class has made kiambu towns the dormitory towns which has really brought economic benefits to the locals. They have felt the economic growth under Jubilee I would expect high voter participation.

Now Kiambu MPs have now attacked Muranga biasharas(interest rate capping) which has made the Muranga guys say they want PK as Nairobi governor to protect their business interests or else. Nyeri is bitter they have no cabinet secretary and don't feel the growth like in the Kibaki era so the voter apathy is there.

This just pure nonsense of the power elite. Kenya is just a family business and your votes are just shares in the company.








Wow! The things I learn on this site. Thank you so much Wukan, I never knew there's so much happening in the background of Kenyan politics.
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