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Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite
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tycho wrote:@alma, I've spent the last few days trying to understand African resistance to colonialism. And, one thing that's come out clear is that we seem not to have understood who or what our oppressor really is/was.
In fact, for as long as we affirm the tribal nature of our politics, then we can be certain that we're still blind to the forces surrounding us as a people. Nay, we have'nt appreciated what it means to be a nation state.
And by this wager, you play into tribal politics again.
Of course it's not entirely a bad thing because at least @hardwood has completed the 'us' versus 'them' msemo.
In the larger scheme of things, the oppressor is gaining time and money and we're losing our lives and most fundamental freedoms.
By now you should have noticed that corruption is a problem because the political sphere is now hostage to the economic. And high office is for bread. Hustlers.
Average wages are set to be lower, and unemployment higher; movement is to be more restricted, land is going to be more scarce, identity and culture are now going to be under the control of capital. The very things that the reisistance rose against, are still alive and very powerful now.
Alma, isn't it so idle to make a tribal wager at such times? No. You can't be thinking like me. Or even, I'm not thinking at all. I think it's in our genes, wherever we are ,we always come out the servants!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Taurrus, genetics is one narrative used for oppression.
Slavery is a political phenomenon, and we should at least expect a political cause of it.
What are the political causes of slavery? If we can answer this, then, you'll see the difference and the needed solutions.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Tycho why are you not happy with me? What have I done wrong? What I've done is highlight exactly what goes on this very forum cloaked as topical issues. The initial post did what it was supposed to do. Create controversy. It worked very very well. It brought the rats from their cocoons. Just look through the name calling. Some fellas were hurt very hurt that I could bring up the issue of geographic residence. I did not even say tribe. I can see their veins stretching their skin. Yet, these are the very same people who have absolutely no problem talking about tribe x or y is not nyumba, is nyumba, is half nyumba etc. If the mere mention of geography can cause such comments, how do they think other feels when every topic on wazua is coated with tribal innuendo? My point which I have proven is that there are those amongst us who shall never talk or discuss issues. Just look at hardwood's last post. Surely, why would I give a damn about nyumba? I don't ever remember having an interview with any business person where we had a session on "what's your tribe". But somehow, this nonsense shows up in politics. In the name of uniting. Uniting, what the hell does that name even mean anymore? Issue based. Please. Issues, please. Tafadhali. But I'm hoping that the fake anger that was expressed here is a reminder. A reminder to the "hurt" wazuans who think that tribe based comments and rhetoric will not one day come and bite you. If you can't talk about gov't policies vs opposition policies, at least you have been warned. That there are some voters who don't care about the nyumba or otherwise. Just how to as Liv put it, "find money to pay for bills". lol as Liv kulas nyama...  Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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I have never understood why people get mad when someone brings along a line of thinking that has some tribal inclination ...maybe I was born in a different timeline...you can talk about my tribe as much as you want I wont feel anything at all,say all the negative things you would want to say...still wont feel anything... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:I have never understood why people get mad when someone brings along a line of thinking that has some tribal inclination ...maybe I was born in a different timeline...you can talk about my tribe as much as you want I wont feel anything at all,say all the negative things you would want to say...still wont feel anything... You are not like most people. Tribe in Kenya is used to divided, assert political dominance, or gain political leverage . It's worse than colonialism. It is a system that was created by the colonialists. I don't believe that we got independence because we fought the enemy away, it's because they created the perfect system that ensured that they continued receiving what they were receiving even without being here. Isn't that the perfect system? Think about it.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,310 Location: nairobi
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mawinder wrote:Kiambu people would steal from Muranga people as they came from Nairobi after selling their products.Kiambu women are well known for what they do to their husbands.Mountaineers are generally goat eaters.Nyeri women are generally known to be tough on their husbands at times to beyond limits..check Kibakis swollen forehead.Muranga are hardworking people...Generally these people aargh!!!! Hahaha COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:Some okuyos in this forum are quite stupid and they know themselves, starting with alma. Always fighting their own people. How many times have you seen joluo from siaya abusing those from homabay? Or mluhyas from vihiga going against those in bungoma. But here all i see is attacks of sijui nyeri, muranga, kiambu, uthamaki, homeguards and other nonsense. As I posted hapo juu, a house divided against itself can never stand, and will be defeated/subdued. Why are wild dogs the most successful hunters in the world? It's because they work as a team, they have brotherhood, they look after each other and do what is best for their kind. Politics is just about sharing national resources. You can either decide to team up with your brothers to create a winning "wild dog team" or you can choose to sleep with the enemy or fight each other - and wait for mizoga like hyenas, which are always fighting each other. all wild dogs eat! hapa watu ni wild dogs saa ya hunt... mnyama akianguka tunaambiwa... ngoja halafu tunaona watu wanatoka bank na magunia. Election ikifika... tunaambiwa - 'tuko pamoja'. 'team wild dogs'. Hiyo ni ujinga! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Some okuyos in this forum are quite stupid and they know themselves, starting with alma. Always fighting their own people. How many times have you seen joluo from siaya abusing those from homabay? Or mluhyas from vihiga going against those in bungoma. But here all i see is attacks of sijui nyeri, muranga, kiambu, uthamaki, homeguards and other nonsense. As I posted hapo juu, a house divided against itself can never stand, and will be defeated/subdued. Why are wild dogs the most successful hunters in the world? It's because they work as a team, they have brotherhood, they look after each other and do what is best for their kind. Politics is just about sharing national resources. You can either decide to team up with your brothers to create a winning "wild dog team" or you can choose to sleep with the enemy or fight each other - and wait for mizoga like hyenas, which are always fighting each other. all wild dogs eat! hapa watu ni wild dogs saa ya hunt... mnyama akianguka tunaambiwa... ngoja halafu tunaona watu wanatoka bank na magunia. Election ikifika... tunaambiwa - 'tuko pamoja'. 'team wild dogs'. Hiyo ni ujinga! Forgive @Hardwood. His Doctorate thesis is on ethology of wild dogs. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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kaka2za wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Some okuyos in this forum are quite stupid and they know themselves, starting with alma. Always fighting their own people. How many times have you seen joluo from siaya abusing those from homabay? Or mluhyas from vihiga going against those in bungoma. But here all i see is attacks of sijui nyeri, muranga, kiambu, uthamaki, homeguards and other nonsense. As I posted hapo juu, a house divided against itself can never stand, and will be defeated/subdued. Why are wild dogs the most successful hunters in the world? It's because they work as a team, they have brotherhood, they look after each other and do what is best for their kind. Politics is just about sharing national resources. You can either decide to team up with your brothers to create a winning "wild dog team" or you can choose to sleep with the enemy or fight each other - and wait for mizoga like hyenas, which are always fighting each other. all wild dogs eat! hapa watu ni wild dogs saa ya hunt... mnyama akianguka tunaambiwa... ngoja halafu tunaona watu wanatoka bank na magunia. Election ikifika... tunaambiwa - 'tuko pamoja'. 'team wild dogs'. Hiyo ni ujinga! Forgive @Hardwood. His Doctorate thesis is on ethology of wild dogs. @Hardwood allow me to say thats the silliest kind of reasoning I have come across...probably thats the kind of reasoning that makes Kenya a shithole country at times...why the collective nature who the f*** are we???I have never needed the back up of any of my community peeps to do anything...never in my early childhood nor now...I am not what I am because of the tribe I come from rather its because of the effort I have put in all that I have done...Retrogressive thinking that we should change completely. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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alma1 wrote:If you can't talk about gov't policies vs opposition policies, at least you have been warned. That there are some voters who don't care about the nyumba or otherwise. Just how to as Liv put it, "find money to pay for bills". lol as Liv kulas nyama... AM,
All I said is that I don't have time to reply to every post here all the time like you. I am too busy to post imaginary things like some enmity between nyeri and kiambu people (pure imagination and wishful thinking) which you've dedicated more space than all others replies put together. Don't just be a busy body, gossiping, discussing non issues and then you keep complaining here. There are many people here who don't depend on the government handouts and make a genuine livelihood from business or employment. Why do you think everyone who seems to support the government does it because they are getting paid or wanakula nyama pahali? That they must be benefiting somewhere from a government connection....Your stereotyping is out of this world...too simplistic in thinking....and morally unsound ( do you have to call people names if they disagree with you?) Do you have to insinuate that they are beneficiaries of the current government because they don't think like you?
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