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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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Some things are just indefensible Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Lets flip the coin kiasi; Imagine it was some Uncle Sam Cowboy who slashed an Arab girl in that manner somewhere in Texas! All Imams would be on the streets shouting al..u ak... - then some youths would be encouraged to fight for al... Bottom line - apart from all the other issues, they are experts in victimhood politics! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Is the person crying/shouting loud "leo na mwaga dam,leo nakuf" the lady or someone in the crowd? Sad day in humanity! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Meanwhile, Quote:Kenyan employees were often poorly treated by their European employers—sometimes even beaten to death by them—with some settlers arguing that Africans "were as children and should be treated as such". It was widely acknowledged that few settlers hesitated to flog their servants for petty offences. To make matters even worse, African workers were poorly served by colonial labour-legislation and a prejudiced legal-system. The vast majority of Kenyan employees' violations of labour legislation were settled with "rough justice" meted out by their employers. Most colonial magistrates
appear to have been unconcerned by the illegal practice of settler-administered flogging; indeed,during the 1920s,flogging was the magisterial punishment-of-choice for African convicts.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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AlphDoti wrote:@alma, since this story is from gutter press whose reports are just sensational journalism, my feeling is that what you see is not what was the reality on the ground... Allow me to expound
First, I've said again and again that it is not a Muslim who does not follow Islam, whether he calls himself a Muslim or not. So please do not blindly say "These muslims are just pathetic."
Secondly, Islamic law is not applied blindly. Not that somebody accusing somebody of killing a baby and law is just applied like that, no. Islamic law requires that there be four witnesses for the application of this law, Reliable witnesses, not just anybody, but people who are known to be just and righteous. And without those four witnesses, the law cannot be applied.
Thirdly, now regarding this case, coming from gutter press, they report that it's the father of the dead baby who is executing the woman. I doubt that. My suspicion is that, this is death sentence issued by the court and evidence and witnesses verified. And the one meting out the justice is the state's judicial executioner.
Fiftly, if the above was death sentence, carried out by state's judicial executioner, then note that these laws are applied and done publicly. People should be present to observe it. It is not for entertainment in public, but for them to see law and its application. The sight of it helps to enforce in the minds of the people that the laws are being applied and we should avoid these kinds of crimes.
IMPORTANT: I'm not supporting or CONDONING sporadic killing by anyone against anyone. NO MATTER where it is: Saudia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or U.S, or France, or ANYWHERE... Islam is AGAINST killing. YES! the victims maybe perceived as evil doer, anyone may disagree with them. BUT! We are not allowed to go out and kill them.
NOTE: My response above is informed by the fact that this news are coming from sensational journalism, which should be consumed with pinch of salt. You do realize you are defending the actions of these barbarians and in the process killing any chance of separating their actions from the right Islamic way of doing things. Instead of focusing on the actions and the message coming across, you have quickly run to look for the messenger so you can kill him. You then go ahead to kill the messenger you have not found  "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@obi, my response above was informed by the fact that this news are coming from sensational journalism, which should be consumed with pinch of salt.
Do you have any specific question you want to ask me from Islamic perspective?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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T-Bag wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:alphdoti
unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? I wouldn't care if they needed 1000 pure virgins to witness the crime.
What I just saw was just pathetic.
So I'll stand by my initial statement. Going to these muslim countries is a direct risk to your health and sanity. They might just chop off your head because you walked cross legged. @alma, since you are asking me about Islamic law, to avoid people here misunderstanding and thinking I'm supporting the alleged act in the gutter press, let me use another thread to answer you. Please read here for my answer... what is your position on apostasy from Islam similar argument? They fall in the same category of crime right? Religion of peace year right! My answer here
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hamburglar wrote:Mike Ock wrote:These radical groups exist in all religions. The enemy is not Islam, it's fundamentalism. Mike. If there were no religions there would not be fundamentalists. That's my point. Those two are not mutually exclusive. You will never hear of violent atheist fundamentalists. @ham, Dictionary Definition of ‘fundamentalist’ A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. 1. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practice the fundamentals of medicine. 2. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of mathematics. 3. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of science. IMPORTANT: He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science, or medicine or mathematics. Read more here about my response on this...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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The people slashing the girl claim to do it as per their enterpretation of Islam, the same people deny women the right to drive or go out alone while citing Islam. Those who join and fight for ISIS, al shabab, boko haram all claim it to be consistent with Islam. From those people the real effects Islam that the world can not ignore are felt. So there is that enterpretation, then there is the alternative. Which is which. In the meantime blood continues to be spilt! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Nandwa wrote:The people slashing the girl claim to do it as per their enterpretation of Islam, the same people deny women the right to drive or go out alone while citing Islam. Those who join and fight for ISIS, al shabab, boko haram all claim it to be consistent with Islam. From those people the real effects Islam that the world can not ignore are felt.
So there is that interpretation, then there is the alternative.
Which is which.
In the meantime blood continues to be spilled! Even parrots talks...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:The people slashing the girl claim to do it as per their enterpretation of Islam, the same people deny women the right to drive or go out alone while citing Islam. Those who join and fight for ISIS, al shabab, boko haram all claim it to be consistent with Islam. From those people the real effects Islam that the world can not ignore are felt.
So there is that interpretation, then there is the alternative.
Which is which.
In the meantime blood continues to be spilled! Even parrots talks... Escapist Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/25/2008 Posts: 510
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Quran’s verse 5:32 “For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s sovereignty), but afterwards lo! Many of them become prodigals of the earth.” I don't know what manslaughter or corruption means in that context but the latter parts are fair enough I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Nandwa wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:The people slashing the girl claim to do it as per their enterpretation of Islam, the same people deny women the right to drive or go out alone while citing Islam. Those who join and fight for ISIS, al shabab, boko haram all claim it to be consistent with Islam. From those people the real effects Islam that the world can not ignore are felt.
So there is that interpretation, then there is the alternative.
Which is which.
In the meantime blood continues to be spilled! Even parrots talks... Escapist 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:Mike Ock wrote:These radical groups exist in all religions. The enemy is not Islam, it's fundamentalism. Mike. If there were no religions there would not be fundamentalists. That's my point. Those two are not mutually exclusive. You will never hear of violent atheist fundamentalists. @ham, Dictionary Definition of ‘fundamentalist’ A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. 1. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practice the fundamentals of medicine. 2. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of mathematics. 3. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of science. IMPORTANT: He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science, or medicine or mathematics. Read more here about my response on this... Liar liar! fundamentalist[fuhn-duh-men-tl-ist] noun 1. an adherent of fundamentalism, a religious movement characterized by a strict belief in the literal interpretation of religious texts: radical fundamentalists. Used as a noun that is the meaning of phundamentalist. Hizo definition zako ni zako, peleka kwako.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
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Anti_Burglar wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:Mike Ock wrote:These radical groups exist in all religions. The enemy is not Islam, it's fundamentalism. Mike. If there were no religions there would not be fundamentalists. That's my point. Those two are not mutually exclusive. You will never hear of violent atheist fundamentalists. @ham, Dictionary Definition of ‘fundamentalist’ A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. 1. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practice the fundamentals of medicine. 2. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of mathematics. 3. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of science. IMPORTANT: He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science, or medicine or mathematics. Read more here about my response on this... belief in the literal interpretation of religious texts: Wow the definition fits the idiots exactly, people kow their jobs hata kama nikuandika dictionary, LANGUAGE and understanding are a huge problem!  many of the idiots running around hardly understand literature, phonetics, phonology, syntax, translations, symbolism e.t.c and are hardly "literate" FOOLS who make "LITERAL" interpretation, rendering the religious writings in the hands of idiots totally idiotic. Very much agree! Meru Holiness
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Anti_Burglar wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:Mike Ock wrote:These radical groups exist in all religions. The enemy is not Islam, it's fundamentalism. Mike. If there were no religions there would not be fundamentalists. That's my point. Those two are not mutually exclusive. You will never hear of violent atheist fundamentalists. @ham, Dictionary Definition of ‘fundamentalist’ A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. 1. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practice the fundamentals of medicine. 2. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of mathematics. 3. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of science. IMPORTANT: He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science, or medicine or mathematics. Read more here about my response on this... Liar liar! fundamentalist[fuhn-duh-men-tl-ist] noun 1. an adherent of fundamentalism, a religious movement characterized by a strict belief in the literal interpretation of religious texts: radical fundamentalists. Used as a noun that is the meaning of phundamentalist. Hizo definition zako ni zako, peleka kwako. @anti_burglar, you harbour misconceptions about Islam.. and this has made you consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. Take for example this issue of definition. Due to your insufficient knowledge, you quickly shouted "Liar Liar". Look at the meaning according to Webster’s dictionary: Webster Definition of fundamentalism
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a often capitalized: a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching
b: the beliefs of this movement
c: adherence to such beliefs a minister noted for his strict fundamentalism
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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AlphDoti wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:Mike Ock wrote:These radical groups exist in all religions. The enemy is not Islam, it's fundamentalism. Mike. If there were no religions there would not be fundamentalists. That's my point. Those two are not mutually exclusive. You will never hear of violent atheist fundamentalists. @ham, Dictionary Definition of ‘fundamentalist’ A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. 1. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practice the fundamentals of medicine. 2. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of mathematics. 3. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of science. IMPORTANT: He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science, or medicine or mathematics. Read more here about my response on this... Liar liar! fundamentalist[fuhn-duh-men-tl-ist] noun 1. an adherent of fundamentalism, a religious movement characterized by a strict belief in the literal interpretation of religious texts: radical fundamentalists. Used as a noun that is the meaning of phundamentalist. Hizo definition zako ni zako, peleka kwako. @anti_burglar, you harbour misconceptions about Islam.. and this has made you consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. Take for example this issue of definition. Due to your insufficient knowledge, you quickly shouted "Liar Liar". Look at the meaning according to Webster’s dictionary: Webster Definition of fundamentalism
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a often capitalized: a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching
b: the beliefs of this movement
c: adherence to such beliefs a minister noted for his strict fundamentalism Still, you are a liar and it doesn't change anything, Alphdoti liar.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Anti_Burglar wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:Mike Ock wrote:These radical groups exist in all religions. The enemy is not Islam, it's fundamentalism. Mike. If there were no religions there would not be fundamentalists. That's my point. Those two are not mutually exclusive. You will never hear of violent atheist fundamentalists. @ham, Dictionary Definition of ‘fundamentalist’ A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. 1. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practice the fundamentals of medicine. 2. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of mathematics. 3. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practice the fundamentals of science. IMPORTANT: He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science, or medicine or mathematics. Read more here about my response on this... Liar liar! fundamentalist[fuhn-duh-men-tl-ist] noun 1. an adherent of fundamentalism, a religious movement characterized by a strict belief in the literal interpretation of religious texts: radical fundamentalists. Used as a noun that is the meaning of phundamentalist. Hizo definition zako ni zako, peleka kwako. @anti_burglar, you harbour misconceptions about Islam.. and this has made you consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. Take for example this issue of definition. Due to your insufficient knowledge, you quickly shouted "Liar Liar". Look at the meaning according to Webster’s dictionary: Webster Definition of fundamentalism
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a often capitalized: a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching
b: the beliefs of this movement
c: adherence to such beliefs a minister noted for his strict fundamentalism Still, you are a liar and it doesn't change anything, Alphdoti liar. @anti_burglar, how am i a liar... People here can read and they have a brain. You rhetorically calling someone a liar doesn't necessarily be so, unless you can show the lie.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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What is the point of engaging people in round circles and denial games!! I am certain anybody literate enough to be posting in Wazua knows the relevant meaning of fundamentalist - as used and the context of what is in discussion. Therefore those acting to bury their heads in sand should summon a little more honsety and quit hiding in plain sight. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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