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Political Revolution + Cultural Revolution All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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IMO class consciousness precedes revolutionary consciousness. Until there is a critical mass of class conscious revolutionaries organize in the classical Maxist/Leninist dogma localised in the formation of Maoist/Castroist realities can we talk of revolutionary consciousness.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rahatupu wrote:IMO class consciousness precedes revolutionary consciousness. Until there is a critical mass of class conscious revolutionaries organize in the classical Maxist/Leninist dogma localised in the formation of Maoist/Castroist realities can we talk of revolutionary consciousness. Class consciousness may also be counterrevolutionary. Mainly because it entails a language and narrative of oppression being affirmed. Castroism, if there's such a thing, needs some scrutiny. For example, what were the effects of US sanctions on Cuba? How did Cuba respond? Is there a unique economic model running the country? I'm not sure about Castro as yet. Nevertheless the idea of revolution goes beyond class conflict and into linguistic domination. Maybe 'semiotic domination' is the right expression. What are the language systems we use and how do they work, what are the inputs and outputs? Our language systems ooze with presuppositions that are almost always affirmed. In fact, it may only be possible to have positive class consciousness under a deconstruction of language.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:IMO class consciousness precedes revolutionary consciousness. Until there is a critical mass of class conscious revolutionaries organize in the classical Maxist/Leninist dogma localised in the formation of Maoist/Castroist realities can we talk of revolutionary consciousness. Class consciousness may also be counterrevolutionary. Mainly because it entails a language and narrative of oppression being affirmed. Castroism, if there's such a thing, needs some scrutiny. For example, what were the effects of US sanctions on Cuba? How did Cuba respond? Is there a unique economic model running the country? I'm not sure about Castro as yet. Nevertheless the idea of revolution goes beyond class conflict and into linguistic domination. Maybe 'semiotic domination' is the right expression. What are the language systems we use and how do they work, what are the inputs and outputs? Our language systems ooze with presuppositions that are almost always affirmed. In fact, it may only be possible to have positive class consciousness under a deconstruction of language. In revolution materialism is at the heart of it all its the blood, heart and soul....not language and post modernist deconstruction narrative.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:IMO class consciousness precedes revolutionary consciousness. Until there is a critical mass of class conscious revolutionaries organize in the classical Maxist/Leninist dogma localised in the formation of Maoist/Castroist realities can we talk of revolutionary consciousness. Class consciousness may also be counterrevolutionary. Mainly because it entails a language and narrative of oppression being affirmed. Castroism, if there's such a thing, needs some scrutiny. For example, what were the effects of US sanctions on Cuba? How did Cuba respond? Is there a unique economic model running the country? I'm not sure about Castro as yet. Nevertheless the idea of revolution goes beyond class conflict and into linguistic domination. Maybe 'semiotic domination' is the right expression. What are the language systems we use and how do they work, what are the inputs and outputs? Our language systems ooze with presuppositions that are almost always affirmed. In fact, it may only be possible to have positive class consciousness under a deconstruction of language. In revolution materialism is at the heart of it all its the blood, heart and soul....not language and post modernist deconstruction narrative. Why is that?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:IMO class consciousness precedes revolutionary consciousness. Until there is a critical mass of class conscious revolutionaries organize in the classical Maxist/Leninist dogma localised in the formation of Maoist/Castroist realities can we talk of revolutionary consciousness. Class consciousness may also be counterrevolutionary. Mainly because it entails a language and narrative of oppression being affirmed. Castroism, if there's such a thing, needs some scrutiny. For example, what were the effects of US sanctions on Cuba? How did Cuba respond? Is there a unique economic model running the country? I'm not sure about Castro as yet. Nevertheless the idea of revolution goes beyond class conflict and into linguistic domination. Maybe 'semiotic domination' is the right expression. What are the language systems we use and how do they work, what are the inputs and outputs? Our language systems ooze with presuppositions that are almost always affirmed. In fact, it may only be possible to have positive class consciousness under a deconstruction of language. In revolution materialism is at the heart of it all its the blood, heart and soul....not language and post modernist deconstruction narrative. Not all deconstruction is post-modernist, and deconstruction isn't necessarily a narrative.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:IMO class consciousness precedes revolutionary consciousness. Until there is a critical mass of class conscious revolutionaries organize in the classical Maxist/Leninist dogma localised in the formation of Maoist/Castroist realities can we talk of revolutionary consciousness. Class consciousness may also be counterrevolutionary. Mainly because it entails a language and narrative of oppression being affirmed. Castroism, if there's such a thing, needs some scrutiny. For example, what were the effects of US sanctions on Cuba? How did Cuba respond? Is there a unique economic model running the country? I'm not sure about Castro as yet. Nevertheless the idea of revolution goes beyond class conflict and into linguistic domination. Maybe 'semiotic domination' is the right expression. What are the language systems we use and how do they work, what are the inputs and outputs? Our language systems ooze with presuppositions that are almost always affirmed. In fact, it may only be possible to have positive class consciousness under a deconstruction of language. In revolution materialism is at the heart of it all its the blood, heart and soul....not language and post modernist deconstruction narrative. Why is that? Because it is essentially dialectical in nature
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:IMO class consciousness precedes revolutionary consciousness. Until there is a critical mass of class conscious revolutionaries organize in the classical Maxist/Leninist dogma localised in the formation of Maoist/Castroist realities can we talk of revolutionary consciousness. Class consciousness may also be counterrevolutionary. Mainly because it entails a language and narrative of oppression being affirmed. Castroism, if there's such a thing, needs some scrutiny. For example, what were the effects of US sanctions on Cuba? How did Cuba respond? Is there a unique economic model running the country? I'm not sure about Castro as yet. Nevertheless the idea of revolution goes beyond class conflict and into linguistic domination. Maybe 'semiotic domination' is the right expression. What are the language systems we use and how do they work, what are the inputs and outputs? Our language systems ooze with presuppositions that are almost always affirmed. In fact, it may only be possible to have positive class consciousness under a deconstruction of language. In revolution materialism is at the heart of it all its the blood, heart and soul....not language and post modernist deconstruction narrative. Why is that? Because it is essentially dialectical in nature Dialectic isn't limited to materialism. It's also in language. Is language, material?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:IMO class consciousness precedes revolutionary consciousness. Until there is a critical mass of class conscious revolutionaries organize in the classical Maxist/Leninist dogma localised in the formation of Maoist/Castroist realities can we talk of revolutionary consciousness. Class consciousness may also be counterrevolutionary. Mainly because it entails a language and narrative of oppression being affirmed. Castroism, if there's such a thing, needs some scrutiny. For example, what were the effects of US sanctions on Cuba? How did Cuba respond? Is there a unique economic model running the country? I'm not sure about Castro as yet. Nevertheless the idea of revolution goes beyond class conflict and into linguistic domination. Maybe 'semiotic domination' is the right expression. What are the language systems we use and how do they work, what are the inputs and outputs? Our language systems ooze with presuppositions that are almost always affirmed. In fact, it may only be possible to have positive class consciousness under a deconstruction of language. In revolution materialism is at the heart of it all its the blood, heart and soul....not language and post modernist deconstruction narrative. Why is that? Because it is essentially dialectical in nature Dialectic isn't limited to materialism. It's also in language. Is language, material? Human history is a history of material relations hence revolution is intricately tied to the dialectics that define mayerial class struggle. Language is confined to abstract realities.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:IMO class consciousness precedes revolutionary consciousness. Until there is a critical mass of class conscious revolutionaries organize in the classical Maxist/Leninist dogma localised in the formation of Maoist/Castroist realities can we talk of revolutionary consciousness. Class consciousness may also be counterrevolutionary. Mainly because it entails a language and narrative of oppression being affirmed. Castroism, if there's such a thing, needs some scrutiny. For example, what were the effects of US sanctions on Cuba? How did Cuba respond? Is there a unique economic model running the country? I'm not sure about Castro as yet. Nevertheless the idea of revolution goes beyond class conflict and into linguistic domination. Maybe 'semiotic domination' is the right expression. What are the language systems we use and how do they work, what are the inputs and outputs? Our language systems ooze with presuppositions that are almost always affirmed. In fact, it may only be possible to have positive class consciousness under a deconstruction of language. In revolution materialism is at the heart of it all its the blood, heart and soul....not language and post modernist deconstruction narrative. Why is that? Because it is essentially dialectical in nature Dialectic isn't limited to materialism. It's also in language. Is language, material? Human history is a history of material relations hence revolution is intricately tied to the dialectics that define mayerial class struggle. Language is confined to abstract realities. History, is a narrative. A linguistic faculty. An abstraction. The abstraction determines materiality. And probably vice versa. It's possible to speak of a 'language- material' dialectic. For example is there a dialectic between 'English and oil'? Man and nature are probably in a dialectic mediated through language. Obviously, for me the base is language, the superstructure, society and it's economic system.
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