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The Devil is Black, and Female: BAHATI SCHOOL
masukuma
#21 Posted : Saturday, February 18, 2017 9:17:20 AM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
@hamburglar - you see... you are to blame if you don't breed and this guy breeds!


Now what have you done. Tutapewa msomo hapa mpaka kesho.

BtW this goes to confirm that the atheists don't even need to do anything to recruit members.

The christians are busy sending followers their way everyday. I am not good at these things but I hghly doubt Christianity will survive another 50 years.

Christianity is in a competition with Islam e.t.c. but agnosticism and atheism are not 'competing' belief systems - most of these people just walk around and giggle at the foolishness of the religious folk. wanacheka ndani. the reason they lashout is because it's still counter culture... kinda like vegans.


Self comparison is competition. Stop deluding yourselves!

which group do you think i consider myself to belong to?
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tycho
#22 Posted : Saturday, February 18, 2017 9:23:43 AM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
@hamburglar - you see... you are to blame if you don't breed and this guy breeds!


Now what have you done. Tutapewa msomo hapa mpaka kesho.

BtW this goes to confirm that the atheists don't even need to do anything to recruit members.

The christians are busy sending followers their way everyday. I am not good at these things but I hghly doubt Christianity will survive another 50 years.

Christianity is in a competition with Islam e.t.c. but agnosticism and atheism are not 'competing' belief systems - most of these people just walk around and giggle at the foolishness of the religious folk. wanacheka ndani. the reason they lashout is because it's still counter culture... kinda like vegans.


Self comparison is competition. Stop deluding yourselves!

which group do you think i consider myself to belong to?


Either the competing theists, or the presumptuous atheists and agnostics who
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just walk around and giggle at the foolishness of the religious folk. wanacheka ndani
Liv
#23 Posted : Saturday, February 18, 2017 12:17:39 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:


I hghly doubt Christianity will survive another 50 years.



History has documented about many fools who have come up with such prophecies almost every year since 18th century. They all die and leave the Gospel of Christ being preached here.

Christ said: " I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" Matthew 16:18
FRM2011
#24 Posted : Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:36:44 PM
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Liv wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:


I hghly doubt Christianity will survive another 50 years.



History has documented about many fools who have come up with such prophecies almost every year since 18th century. They all die and leave the Gospel of Christ being preached here.

Christ said: " I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" Matthew 16:18


History had documented, huh ? Mind sharing just a few ?

Take time to read the history of the Bible. It's the foundation of your religion right ? You will be shocked.

Mind you am not an atheist. I do believe in God or more precisely, a supreme being. The religions, all of them, are nothing but frauds that have gone on for too long.

But don't bother with me am a lost soul. Get your tithe ready, tomorrow is Sunday.
tycho
#25 Posted : Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:51:17 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Liv wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:


I hghly doubt Christianity will survive another 50 years.



History has documented about many fools who have come up with such prophecies almost every year since 18th century. They all die and leave the Gospel of Christ being preached here.

Christ said: " I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" Matthew 16:18


History had documented, huh ? Mind sharing just a few ?

Take time to read the history of the Bible. It's the foundation of your religion right ? You will be shocked.

Mind you am not an atheist. I do believe in God or more precisely, a supreme being. The religions, all of them, are nothing but frauds that have gone on for too long.

But don't bother with me am a lost soul. Get your tithe ready, tomorrow is Sunday.


Religions aren't frauds. They may get obsolete but no more.
Liv
#26 Posted : Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:23:57 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Liv wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:


I hghly doubt Christianity will survive another 50 years.



History has documented about many fools who have come up with such prophecies almost every year since 18th century. They all die and leave the Gospel of Christ being preached here.

Christ said: " I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" Matthew 16:18


History had documented, huh ? Mind sharing just a few ?

Take time to read the history of the Bible. It's the foundation of your religion right ? You will be shocked.

Mind you am not an atheist. I do believe in God or more precisely, a supreme being. The religions, all of them, are nothing but frauds that have gone on for too long.

But don't bother with me am a lost soul. Get your tithe ready, tomorrow is Sunday.


So you've read the church history? If you have you should know that during what historians call enlightenment period, many people became agnostic and skeptical of Christianity as it was seen then as dogmatic and conservative ( we are in a similar situation today...with atheists telling us they are more intelligent and enlightened)..... And during that enlightenment period they thought and said Christianity will die... But that never happened....it survived and it is still here.
You can read what other people like Atheist Volataire, John Lennon, etc said about the future of Christianity.

And I am not much bothered with you .... I understand you could be depressed ...nothing looks good in your eyes and you've to criticize everything....the government, your tribe, your country, religion, NSE, etc...nothing is working for you. But I will pray for you tomorrow in church after giving my tithe.
masukuma
#27 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 5:07:53 AM
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I think religion is possibly one of the best things to have been invented - really!! A million deaths here and there but generally organized a brutish species. Has it out lived it's usefulness - maybe in some contexts. Spirituality will however always be there. My 2 cents.
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tycho
#28 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 7:50:30 AM
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masukuma wrote:
I think religion is possibly one of the best things to have been invented - really!! A million deaths here and there but generally organized a brutish species. Has it out lived it's usefulness - maybe in some contexts. Spirituality will however always be there. My 2 cents.


@Masukuma, I agree with you. But reading Adam Smith's theory of moral sentiments has exposed the weakness of agreeing and disagreeing to the point of what I may call 'algorithmic coincidences'. That is, maybe we should focus on the algorithms that have taken us to certain conclusions and maybe deconstruct them to reveal who we are. And maybe inform our futures.

It's like my 2 cents are worth so little.

I'm saying this because of the word 'spirituality'. I remember a long time ago when I was a church goer we had a big problem defining 'spirit' with the pastor... I doubt if it's easier now.

Initially one starts by contesting religion, then down the road, you realize that one is also contesting language. Maybe 'spirit' is a symbol about to be abandoned.

That's what I thought as I watched a cockroach dying. It seemed like a natural death. I watched it turn upside down by itself and slowly become still and stiff. I wondered if it had a spirit ... and why it's death was not so significant to fellow roaches or humans. Only the ants delighted.

Maybe in the very end, at least of human discourse, nothing remains except the scripts of our algorithms.
tycho
#29 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:28:27 AM
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I think that at least someone has to start by defeating the devil by seeing beyond this narrative and overcoming it, then next move to a post Freudian psychology to the extent of reforming the male and female perhaps this time not according to our projected image of 'God' but to some other standard informed by the growth of our ideas.

That way, at least for the African there'll be no quandary about making the devil white, and patriarchy the evil behind it.

Maybe to defend the headmaster that has inspired this post: He was in a position of authority and there was no simple way of claiming agnosticism to the art work in front of him.

Art is heavily symbolic and goes deep into our minds, and considering the rigidities of lay Christianity, he had no simple way of resolving the issue.

What this situation needed is a deeper understanding and the headmaster tried to create this space by quarantine and reference. An understandable and prudent measure if you ask me.
masukuma
#30 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:54:31 AM
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we are products of our environment and that implies the times you live in as well. Religion to me is a way of living. mostly a code to follow. that dictates to a large extent what is right and what is wrong and if wrong what the punishment is to be (and sometimes who will do the punishing). that is always fairly easy to master and hack. the concept of an all seeing eye that watches your every move and keeps records of wrong and good deeds is also a common theme. Spirituality to me is OTHERNESS... it's what the first humans who became conscious had... the thought of this "otherness". We feel it and think of it and philosophize about it. Perhaps it's a product of a brain that crosses a certain threshold in development and sometimes it's "detection" is similar to how a radio "understands" radio waves that are invisible to the naked eye and "makes sense" out of it! Perhaps spirituality is a dimension that can only be "realised" or "comprehended" by highly complex brains. perhaps our brains are just cross that threshold and we are able to tell there is something "other" than what we detect with our 5 senses and measure with our instruments. but we cannot quantify it. perhaps the complex brain prerequisite explains why roaches don't give a shit about the passing of their compatriots. I tend to however think that it's more a product of the brain as opposed to it being a realization simply because if it was a realization based on the multiple diverse and conflicting ways we comprehend spirituality! or perhaps it's a case of the blindfolded touching elephant and describing it - we are all describing the same animal but different aspects of it. If you think of it - most people you know who are great adherents of a certain religion - they have hacked the "religion" bit! they don't do A and B and do C as required. Their fixation right now is on the spiritual aspects... "the chills giving" aspect of spirituality! the one that tries to make sense of this life we live and strives to answer the question "why are we here?".
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tycho
#31 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 9:41:29 AM
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masukuma wrote:
we are products of our environment and that implies the times you live in as well. Religion to me is a way of living. mostly a code to follow. that dictates to a large extent what is right and what is wrong and if wrong what the punishment is to be (and sometimes who will do the punishing). that is always fairly easy to master and hack. the concept of an all seeing eye that watches your every move and keeps records of wrong and good deeds is also a common theme. Spirituality to me is OTHERNESS... it's what the first humans who became conscious had... the thought of this "otherness". We feel it and think of it and philosophize about it. Perhaps it's a product of a brain that crosses a certain threshold in development and sometimes it's "detection" is similar to how a radio "understands" radio waves that are invisible to the naked eye and "makes sense" out of it! Perhaps spirituality is a dimension that can only be "realised" or "comprehended" by highly complex brains. perhaps our brains are just cross that threshold and we are able to tell there is something "other" than what we detect with our 5 senses and measure with our instruments. but we cannot quantify it. perhaps the complex brain prerequisite explains why roaches don't give a shit about the passing of their compatriots. I tend to however think that it's more a product of the brain as opposed to it being a realization simply because if it was a realization based on the multiple diverse and conflicting ways we comprehend spirituality! or perhaps it's a case of the blindfolded touching elephant and describing it - we are all describing the same animal but different aspects of it. If you think of it - most people you know who are great adherents of a certain religion - they have hacked the "religion" bit! they don't do A and B and do C as required. Their fixation right now is on the spiritual aspects... "the chills giving" aspect of spirituality! the one that tries to make sense of this life we live and strives to answer the question "why are we here?".


Spirituality appears to have much to do with consciousness, especially reflexiveness. It's like an aspect of the 'I'. For me, the 'I' appears to emerge from brain functions, and linguistic complexity. I guess this creates the sense of 'otherness' and a feeling that there's meaning to everything around us, and we feel, and perhaps justifiably, that we're not exclusively responsible for this experience. If the roaches had books and texts, they'd probably mourn and bury their kin.

That's why perhaps the different answers offered by diverse religions are different in narrative but united in purpose, and interestingly, method.

Consider this, what happened on the day of Pentecost? If we consider 'spirituality' as 'otherness' then the answer would be, the believers heightened their sense of otherness that they were fired up to go all over the world and share their new ideology. And they spoke in 'tongues' - other languages that they had each learned in the past but neglected?

But in all these things, at least we're assured of the essential humanism of religions. Which basically means we can think without fear!

sparkly
#32 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:44:58 AM
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Expelled for drawing the devil... Who knows what the devils looks like?
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tycho
#33 Posted : Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:15:25 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Expelled for drawing the devil... Who knows what the devils looks like?


The members of any religion that has the 'devil' as a fellow member.

So if there's more than one religion in question, there may be more than one depiction of the devil.
thuks
#34 Posted : Monday, February 20, 2017 11:56:04 AM
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