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sparkly wrote:The share is down 1,250% since @Proverb posted first on this thread 6years ago. And yet there are some traders who have made over 70% gain.. Usitamanie tako la bibi wa rafikiye. There will always be gains for others and losses for others at the same damn time
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karasinga wrote:sparkly wrote:The share is down 1,250% since @Proverb posted first on this thread 6years ago. Hello sparkly. If I may comment. Technically, on the ran way and just raised it's nose yesterday (15th feb). Only rear wheels on the ground... I hope what I saw yesterday was not a technical hitch.  . he he he. Not soliciting anyone to buy. just for educational purposes. best wishes. To be honest a lot has been done to turnaround the company...problem is its still in a big hole,still has issues paying suppliers (I dont know when this will end) and the restructuring has brought a lot of discontent amongst some managers...remnants of TN+Mbugua boys have allocated themselves prime posts disregarding experienced fellows...good thing is management cant strike... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,217 Location: nairobi
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505,300 being yesterday's volume is telling.. Wenye macho hawaambiwi tazama.. Wish I had immediate cash to pump into this
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/26/2015 Posts: 1,147
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maka wrote:karasinga wrote:sparkly wrote:The share is down 1,250% since @Proverb posted first on this thread 6years ago. Hello sparkly. If I may comment. Technically, on the ran way and just raised it's nose yesterday (15th feb). Only rear wheels on the ground... I hope what I saw yesterday was not a technical hitch. . he he he. Not soliciting anyone to buy. just for educational purposes. best wishes. To be honest a lot has been done to turnaround the company...problem is its still in a big hole,still has issues paying suppliers (I dont know when this will end) and the restructuring has brought a lot of discontent amongst some managers...remnants of TN+Mbugua boys have allocated themselves prime posts disregarding experienced fellows...good thing is management cant strike... Correct maka. Thank you for this. Please allow me to use an example that has greatly changed how I see market to explain the concept of momentum and turns in price. Meet the 16 tonne truck. The truck is approaching an intersection and the driver intends to make a left turn. He knows therefore that he can not continue at the speed, the momentum he is currently moving at, if he is to safely make that left turn and not jack knife the truck. Therefore he starts to take steps to ensure a safe turn, he starts to slow down, shift gears, steer wide, etc. Apply this to trends, for a trend to turn, it must slow down first usually.The trader who is keen to join the turn at what is likely to be its highest/lowest point will be keen to take advantage of this first indication being clear in his or her mind that this is the "aggressive" option. hope this makes sense. It's not over until I winskype id: karasinga. email: kkarasinga@gmail.com
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Afroblk wrote:One of the many counters worth dumping loads of cash...returns will be insane...how low do you think this will go? Probably not much lower than current rates. I only have one hope with KQ...direct flights to US. As long as those pigs in parliament can pass that bill and open the terminal, Kenya will be accorded the much awaited category 1 once the FAA conducts the inspection. Honestly I can't wait to get some returns and exit without looking back...I've been patient for a while and haven't sold even a single share...I'm even tired on buying...how much can one accumulate l0l I know CFC guys be like, here he goes again..l0l 15 years ago KQ used to trade at 5.50-7.00 range. Stock is now below that price not because of splits or bonuses, having done a rights issue! Learn from history. History says that airlines in general and KQ in particular are bad investments. Be smart. @sparkly.. U forgot to tell us that it also traded at KES 126.. To each his own, if airlines were bad investments, then planes wldnt be built, we wldnt have airports.. Seems simplistic, but it is altruist. It depends on the strategy of the airline, otherwise, people like Branson and Buffet wldnt own Virgin & Jetways  Kusoma ni bure. http://www.wsj.com/artic...a-rare-pinch-1420485740
NetJets Unrest Puts Warren Buffett in a Rare Pinch Pilots Protest Against Pay, Benefits at Berkshire Hathaway’s NetJets "In the case of NetJets, the pressure to complete the turnaround of a business Mr. Buffett once called his “number one worry” is now spilling into public view." "In the 16 years that Berkshire has owned NetJets, the jet operator has never paid its owner a dividend, and its net worth is considerably less than the $725 million Berkshire paid for it in 1998" This was from a 2015 article. WB would have been better off putting the money in the bank!"worsened amid extended contract negotiations with multiple unions representing pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and others. NetJets, based in Columbus, Ohio, has about 6,200 employees, a majority of whom belong to unions." "NetJets took a major hit during the financial crisis as wealthy clients cut back on private flying, surviving only because Berkshire guaranteed its $1.9 billion debt load." 1) NetJets isn't an 'airline' as much as Uber [which owns planes]. 2)NetJets is a pain for WB. Not one of his best performers. Too much drama. 3) No dividends. It has had negative cashflow in many years. 4) Despite all this is has a POSITIVE equity/capital whereas KQ has NEGATIVE capital. "Everyone but shareholders made money off KQ." True or False? I wish I could pull up the discussion where VVS swore that Buffet would never touch an airline stock. Well only fools dont change their mindsAmerican Airlines, Southwest, Delta, United Quote:Berkshire also reported a $9.3 billion airline stake, with investments topping $2.1 billion in each of American Airlines Group Inc (AAL.O), Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N), Southwest Airlines Co (LUV.N) and United Continental Holdings Inc (UAL.N). He also gets into technology APPLe- 57.4 million shares of Apple as of Dec. 31. At one time he wouldnt touch any of them apart from IBM ofcourse Again, only fools and dead men don't change their minds. Good morning! Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger are brilliant chaps. I understand why they would buy Delta, SWA, AA or even United. So I looked at KQ again. No, KQ is no Delta. KQ could have been Delta but the "real owners" blew it. 8 March 2017. I speak in code. KQ is where AA was 3 years ago, they will pull through but the myth that Buffett would never touch airline stock is busted. I guess he threw away the 800 number. Only fools and dead men don't change their minds. To all holding KQ. All the best. Huge negative equity & debts hobble KQ. Didn't AA go through restructuring under bankruptcy hence wiping out the debt? Even if KQ makes 5bn per year, without new shareholder capital, it will take 7 years to get to zero capital. Good luck. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,217 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Afroblk wrote:One of the many counters worth dumping loads of cash...returns will be insane...how low do you think this will go? Probably not much lower than current rates. I only have one hope with KQ...direct flights to US. As long as those pigs in parliament can pass that bill and open the terminal, Kenya will be accorded the much awaited category 1 once the FAA conducts the inspection. Honestly I can't wait to get some returns and exit without looking back...I've been patient for a while and haven't sold even a single share...I'm even tired on buying...how much can one accumulate l0l I know CFC guys be like, here he goes again..l0l 15 years ago KQ used to trade at 5.50-7.00 range. Stock is now below that price not because of splits or bonuses, having done a rights issue! Learn from history. History says that airlines in general and KQ in particular are bad investments. Be smart. @sparkly.. U forgot to tell us that it also traded at KES 126.. To each his own, if airlines were bad investments, then planes wldnt be built, we wldnt have airports.. Seems simplistic, but it is altruist. It depends on the strategy of the airline, otherwise, people like Branson and Buffet wldnt own Virgin & Jetways Kusoma ni bure. http://www.wsj.com/artic...a-rare-pinch-1420485740
NetJets Unrest Puts Warren Buffett in a Rare Pinch Pilots Protest Against Pay, Benefits at Berkshire Hathaway’s NetJets "In the case of NetJets, the pressure to complete the turnaround of a business Mr. Buffett once called his “number one worry” is now spilling into public view." "In the 16 years that Berkshire has owned NetJets, the jet operator has never paid its owner a dividend, and its net worth is considerably less than the $725 million Berkshire paid for it in 1998" This was from a 2015 article. WB would have been better off putting the money in the bank!"worsened amid extended contract negotiations with multiple unions representing pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and others. NetJets, based in Columbus, Ohio, has about 6,200 employees, a majority of whom belong to unions." "NetJets took a major hit during the financial crisis as wealthy clients cut back on private flying, surviving only because Berkshire guaranteed its $1.9 billion debt load." 1) NetJets isn't an 'airline' as much as Uber [which owns planes]. 2)NetJets is a pain for WB. Not one of his best performers. Too much drama. 3) No dividends. It has had negative cashflow in many years. 4) Despite all this is has a POSITIVE equity/capital whereas KQ has NEGATIVE capital. "Everyone but shareholders made money off KQ." True or False? I wish I could pull up the discussion where VVS swore that Buffet would never touch an airline stock. Well only fools dont change their mindsAmerican Airlines, Southwest, Delta, United Quote:Berkshire also reported a $9.3 billion airline stake, with investments topping $2.1 billion in each of American Airlines Group Inc (AAL.O), Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N), Southwest Airlines Co (LUV.N) and United Continental Holdings Inc (UAL.N). He also gets into technology APPLe- 57.4 million shares of Apple as of Dec. 31. At one time he wouldnt touch any of them apart from IBM ofcourse Again, only fools and dead men don't change their minds. Good morning! Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger are brilliant chaps. I understand why they would buy Delta, SWA, AA or even United. So I looked at KQ again. No, KQ is no Delta. KQ could have been Delta but the "real owners" blew it. 8 March 2017. I speak in code. KQ is where AA was 3 years ago, they will pull through but the myth that Buffett would never touch airline stock is busted. I guess he threw away the 800 number. Only fools and dead men don't change their minds. To all holding KQ. All the best. Huge negative equity & debts hobble KQ. Didn't AA go through restructuring under bankruptcy hence wiping out the debt? Even if KQ makes 5bn per year, without new shareholder capital, it will take 7 years to get to zero capital. Good luck. We are not in here upto 7 years from now. Tunaokota pesa this year tukielekea. Traders not investors
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:[quote=Afroblk]One of the many counters worth dumping loads of cash...returns will be insane...how low do you think this will go? Probably not much lower than current rates. I only have one hope with KQ...direct flights to US. As long as those pigs in parliament can pass that bill and open the terminal, Kenya will be accorded the much awaited category 1 once the FAA conducts the inspection. Honestly I can't wait to get some returns and exit without looking back...I've been patient for a while and haven't sold even a single share...I'm even tired on buying...how much can one accumulate l0l I know CFC guys be like, here he goes again..l0l 15 years ago KQ used to trade at 5.50-7.00 range. Stock is now below that price not because of splits or bonuses, having done a rights issue! Learn from history. History says that airlines in general and KQ in particular are bad investments. Be smart. @sparkly.. U forgot to tell us that it also traded at KES 126.. To each his own, if airlines were bad investments, then planes wldnt be built, we wldnt have airports.. Seems simplistic, but it is altruist. It depends on the strategy of the airline, otherwise, people like Branson and Buffet wldnt own Virgin & Jetways Kusoma ni bure. http://www.wsj.com/artic...a-rare-pinch-1420485740
NetJets Unrest Puts Warren Buffett in a Rare Pinch Pilots Protest Against Pay, Benefits at Berkshire Hathaway’s NetJets "In the case of NetJets, the pressure to complete the turnaround of a business Mr. Buffett once called his “number one worry” is now spilling into public view." "In the 16 years that Berkshire has owned NetJets, the jet operator has never paid its owner a dividend, and its net worth is considerably less than the $725 million Berkshire paid for it in 1998" This was from a 2015 article. WB would have been better off putting the money in the bank!"worsened amid extended contract negotiations with multiple unions representing pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and others. NetJets, based in Columbus, Ohio, has about 6,200 employees, a majority of whom belong to unions." "NetJets took a major hit during the financial crisis as wealthy clients cut back on private flying, surviving only because Berkshire guaranteed its $1.9 billion debt load." 1) NetJets isn't an 'airline' as much as Uber [which owns planes]. 2)NetJets is a pain for WB. Not one of his best performers. Too much drama. 3) No dividends. It has had negative cashflow in many years. 4) Despite all this is has a POSITIVE equity/capital whereas KQ has NEGATIVE capital. "Everyone but shareholders made money off KQ." True or False? I wish I could pull up the discussion where VVS swore that Buffet would never touch an airline stock. Well only fools dont change their mindsAmerican Airlines, Southwest, Delta, United Quote:Berkshire also reported a $9.3 billion airline stake, with investments topping $2.1 billion in each of American Airlines Group Inc (AAL.O), Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N), Southwest Airlines Co (LUV.N) and United Continental Holdings Inc (UAL.N). He also gets into technology APPLe- 57.4 million shares of Apple as of Dec. 31. At one time he wouldnt touch any of them apart from IBM ofcourse Again, only fools and dead men don't change their minds. Good morning! Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger are brilliant chaps. I understand why they would buy Delta, SWA, AA or even United. So I looked at KQ again. No, KQ is no Delta. KQ could have been Delta but the "real owners" blew it. 8 March 2017. I speak in code. KQ is where AA was 3 years ago, they will pull through but the myth that Buffett would never touch airline stock is busted. I guess he threw away the 800 number. Only fools and dead men don't change their minds. To all holding KQ. All the best. Huge negative equity & debts hobble KQ. Didn't AA go through restructuring under bankruptcy hence wiping out the debt? Even if KQ makes 5bn per year, without new shareholder capital, it will take 7 years to get to zero capital. Good luck.[/quote] We are not in here upto 7 years from now. Tunaokota pesa this year tukielekea. Traders not investors @VVS,Laying the facts bare for everyone who can read to take heed. What @maka is saying - eti ooooh restructuring is almost complete is hogwash. NO restructuring can be complete without:- 1. Debt being swapped for equity or,
2. New capital injection to be used specifically to reduce debt and pay creditors. The other issue raised by @maka, with a new CEO on board, the management line up will change at all costs. It will not take very long for a CEO with aviation experience to identify the issues within the existing line up after the exit of Ngunze.
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Afroblk wrote:One of the many counters worth dumping loads of cash...returns will be insane...how low do you think this will go? Probably not much lower than current rates. I only have one hope with KQ...direct flights to US. As long as those pigs in parliament can pass that bill and open the terminal, Kenya will be accorded the much awaited category 1 once the FAA conducts the inspection. Honestly I can't wait to get some returns and exit without looking back...I've been patient for a while and haven't sold even a single share...I'm even tired on buying...how much can one accumulate l0l I know CFC guys be like, here he goes again..l0l 15 years ago KQ used to trade at 5.50-7.00 range. Stock is now below that price not because of splits or bonuses, having done a rights issue! Learn from history. History says that airlines in general and KQ in particular are bad investments. Be smart. @sparkly.. U forgot to tell us that it also traded at KES 126.. To each his own, if airlines were bad investments, then planes wldnt be built, we wldnt have airports.. Seems simplistic, but it is altruist. It depends on the strategy of the airline, otherwise, people like Branson and Buffet wldnt own Virgin & Jetways Kusoma ni bure. http://www.wsj.com/artic...a-rare-pinch-1420485740
NetJets Unrest Puts Warren Buffett in a Rare Pinch Pilots Protest Against Pay, Benefits at Berkshire Hathaway’s NetJets "In the case of NetJets, the pressure to complete the turnaround of a business Mr. Buffett once called his “number one worry” is now spilling into public view." "In the 16 years that Berkshire has owned NetJets, the jet operator has never paid its owner a dividend, and its net worth is considerably less than the $725 million Berkshire paid for it in 1998" This was from a 2015 article. WB would have been better off putting the money in the bank!"worsened amid extended contract negotiations with multiple unions representing pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and others. NetJets, based in Columbus, Ohio, has about 6,200 employees, a majority of whom belong to unions." "NetJets took a major hit during the financial crisis as wealthy clients cut back on private flying, surviving only because Berkshire guaranteed its $1.9 billion debt load." 1) NetJets isn't an 'airline' as much as Uber [which owns planes]. 2)NetJets is a pain for WB. Not one of his best performers. Too much drama. 3) No dividends. It has had negative cashflow in many years. 4) Despite all this is has a POSITIVE equity/capital whereas KQ has NEGATIVE capital. "Everyone but shareholders made money off KQ." True or False? I wish I could pull up the discussion where VVS swore that Buffet would never touch an airline stock. Well only fools dont change their mindsAmerican Airlines, Southwest, Delta, United Quote:Berkshire also reported a $9.3 billion airline stake, with investments topping $2.1 billion in each of American Airlines Group Inc (AAL.O), Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N), Southwest Airlines Co (LUV.N) and United Continental Holdings Inc (UAL.N). He also gets into technology APPLe- 57.4 million shares of Apple as of Dec. 31. At one time he wouldnt touch any of them apart from IBM ofcourse Again, only fools and dead men don't change their minds. Good morning! Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger are brilliant chaps. I understand why they would buy Delta, SWA, AA or even United. So I looked at KQ again. No, KQ is no Delta. KQ could have been Delta but the "real owners" blew it. 8 March 2017. I speak in code. KQ is where AA was 3 years ago, they will pull through but the myth that Buffett would never touch airline stock is busted. I guess he threw away the 800 number. Only fools and dead men don't change their minds. To all holding KQ. All the best. Huge negative equity & debts hobble KQ. Didn't AA go through restructuring under bankruptcy hence wiping out the debt? Even if KQ makes 5bn per year, without new shareholder capital, it will take 7 years to get to zero capital. Good luck. We are not in here upto 7 years from now. Tunaokota pesa this year tukielekea. Traders not investors Utaelekea wapi @obiero. Lots of talk here. Buying kq is like buying mayai ya sino ndio upelekee gachechi(kienyeji hen) yako for Hutching. Hot air. Buying hope is not an investment strategy.  ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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karasinga wrote:maka wrote:karasinga wrote:sparkly wrote:The share is down 1,250% since @Proverb posted first on this thread 6years ago. Hello sparkly. If I may comment. Technically, on the ran way and just raised it's nose yesterday (15th feb). Only rear wheels on the ground... I hope what I saw yesterday was not a technical hitch. . he he he. Not soliciting anyone to buy. just for educational purposes. best wishes. To be honest a lot has been done to turnaround the company...problem is its still in a big hole,still has issues paying suppliers (I dont know when this will end) and the restructuring has brought a lot of discontent amongst some managers...remnants of TN+Mbugua boys have allocated themselves prime posts disregarding experienced fellows...good thing is management cant strike... Correct maka. Thank you for this. Please allow me to use an example that has greatly changed how I see market to explain the concept of momentum and turns in price. Meet the 16 tonne truck. The truck is approaching an intersection and the driver intends to make a left turn. He knows therefore that he can not continue at the speed, the momentum he is currently moving at, if he is to safely make that left turn and not jack knife the truck. Therefore he starts to take steps to ensure a safe turn, he starts to slow down, shift gears, steer wide, etc. Apply this to trends, for a trend to turn, it must slow down first usually.The trader who is keen to join the turn at what is likely to be its highest/lowest point will be keen to take advantage of this first indication being clear in his or her mind that this is the "aggressive" option. hope this makes sense. , i had not seen this, albeit thee @karas stick to T.A, maneno ya vitendawili achia @obiero & @vvs. They speaketh in codes these days  ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/26/2015 Posts: 1,147
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muandiwambeu wrote:karasinga wrote:maka wrote:karasinga wrote:sparkly wrote:The share is down 1,250% since @Proverb posted first on this thread 6years ago. Hello sparkly. If I may comment. Technically, on the ran way and just raised it's nose yesterday (15th feb). Only rear wheels on the ground... I hope what I saw yesterday was not a technical hitch. . he he he. Not soliciting anyone to buy. just for educational purposes. best wishes. To be honest a lot has been done to turnaround the company...problem is its still in a big hole,still has issues paying suppliers (I dont know when this will end) and the restructuring has brought a lot of discontent amongst some managers...remnants of TN+Mbugua boys have allocated themselves prime posts disregarding experienced fellows...good thing is management cant strike... Correct maka. Thank you for this. Please allow me to use an example that has greatly changed how I see market to explain the concept of momentum and turns in price. Meet the 16 tonne truck. The truck is approaching an intersection and the driver intends to make a left turn. He knows therefore that he can not continue at the speed, the momentum he is currently moving at, if he is to safely make that left turn and not jack knife the truck. Therefore he starts to take steps to ensure a safe turn, he starts to slow down, shift gears, steer wide, etc. Apply this to trends, for a trend to turn, it must slow down first usually.The trader who is keen to join the turn at what is likely to be its highest/lowest point will be keen to take advantage of this first indication being clear in his or her mind that this is the "aggressive" option. hope this makes sense. , i had not seen this, albeit thee @karas stick to T.A, maneno ya vitendawili achia @obiero & @vvs. They speaketh in codes these days Posted this parable for us who understand better using example. "vitendawili" nimewacha. It's not over until I winskype id: karasinga. email: kkarasinga@gmail.com
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