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Spouse jealousy
Jacy26
#21 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:11:03 AM
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@Marty,if your daughter washes clothes for you, cooks for you and generally takes care of you in the absence of the mother does that mean you are entitled to have sex with her. Afterall she is also a woman? Have some respect and create healthy boundaries.Shame on you
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chepkel
#22 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:28:46 AM
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@Kusadikika, Marry me. I will gladly stay at home , give you babies, take care of our home, offer comfort at the end of your long day, make our home comfortable and beautiful and supervise the house girl as she does all the hard labor of cooking, washing and cleaningsmile
mwenza
#23 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:42:30 AM
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gk wrote:
....that's Wangari's version of why they separated; other accounts indicate that she was...not faithfulSad ..some sitting mp from her backyard was mentioned.

..nway her estranged hubby-Dr Mwangi Maathai is actually a PHD!



Age brings wisdom.....sometimes whats written can lie..............Thats why i concur, her biography is incomplete without mention of one Waruru Kanja.
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Wendz
#24 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:46:29 AM
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Issues of marriage are not easy and roles are not as clear-cut as kusadikika has put them.

Very true there are men who are pretty insecure.... I was in a relationship and we had ot break it off when the guy realised i was serious about going back to college and he tried very hard to frustrate my efforts - and we werent even married and was already talking of me leaving employment and being a housewife. Well, being a housewife is not bad, but does it mean i am living the man's life? where is my fulfilment as a person - not even as a woman if my desire was to one day get a degree or an MBA or a PHD or a good car or just making sure that the family has a fallback should anything happen to the 'bread-winner' you know.

Many men wouldnt have a problem with their spouses moving up but i think we as women also loose it somewhere when we get to the top. We then throw the respect we had for our men through the window and that puts fear in men... sometimes men act out of the anticipated change that such success may come up with and may be completely destroy a family that they have worked hard to build. And lets be honest, some of us women do change alot (have a bad attitude) when success comes our way. Late last year, a neighbour lost his family over the same issue. the wife, who was a graduate had been living at home since they got married(she got pregnant when in last year of her college then they decided that they finish getting babies then she can get back to work). The guy got her a job - better paying than his. then she started 'henging' and drinking and going out and the last straw was when she started bringing men to their house!!!! Totally no respect for her husband yet, earlier she had been the best wife any man would ask for. All am saying is, if a young man witnesses such incidences, he will associate it with "thats how women behave if they become successful"... hence the fear of their women's success.

Well, there are a million cases of women who are very successful and still adore their husbands and have happy families.
Marty
#25 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18:00 AM
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@jacy,

I guess u misunderstood me. I would not do it myself but men are known to marry their mboches.....No use mentioning daughter coz that is a totally different matter........it could be a flawed reasoning to marry a mboch but that does not mean it never happens
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Kusadikika
#26 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:31:53 PM
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Mpenzi wrote:
@Kusadikika
Contrary to the way you present your idea of marriage, it actually sounds like a business partnership rather than a loving, fulfilling relationship. The emphasis in your description is the functionality of the marriage - too much emphasis on designated roles. The starting point of marriage is friendship (or at least that what I would like to believe). In your case friendship, shared interests do not appear to figure at all. I wonder what will be the glue when you go thro rough patches of life - those delineated functions of husband and wife?



Mpenzi, I appreciate your concern that in the short presentation this may appear cold but I would argue that as much as I agree that love and fulfillment are ultimately the rewards of a good marriage there are tasks to be performed in it. If these tasks are not clear to either party at the beginning conflict will arise and the love and fulfillment will suffer as well. Friendship in my opinion should be something that grows in the relationship out of respecting, valuing and caring for each other. This can in my opinion come about when the spouses take their responsibilities in the relationship seriously and they caome to appreciate that they are better of because they have their spouse. Sharking responsibility so as to lovey dovey is postponing conflict that will surely arise out of neglected duties.

Chepkel, I would not marry you if your natural inclination is not toward being a mother, homekeeper and caring for your family and children. If you find housework a burden that needs to be relegated to a househelp rather than your joyful contribution to the well being of your family then it is obvious you are not so inclined.

Wendz, I hear you. I agree that it is ill advised for any man to marry a woman and then ask her to shelve her ambitions so that he can attain his. If you have the ambition to become a successful career woman but at the same time be a wife I am sure there are men out there who would be comfortable with that arrangement and you should not have to sacrifice your pursuits to his.

I guess my whole argument is, the role of women as wives, mothers, homemakers and lovers is underappreciated and is being relegated to househelps. A housewife is a working woman. One with the most noble job in the world. It is not an inferiority for a woman to aspire to be one. What I am sick of is todays career women who rarely see their children, clean no clothes and cook no food thinking that just because they hold high flying corporate jobs that they are better than housewives and for that matter are worth more as wives.
Mpenzi
#27 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:53:43 PM
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@Kusadikika
Its not about shirking responsibility - its about sharing responsibilities and not necessarily confining any partner to any particular responsibility even where such partner is able and willing to take up responsibilities that are traditionally gender specific. That is, agreeing that the wife may work to the extent that her responsibilities as a mother allow her and to the extent of her desire to advance herself and to find fulfillment in her career. And agreeing that the husband may also take up some responsibilities at home including but not limited to cooking, looking after kids etc.
Magigi
#28 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:55:26 PM
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@Wendz:
I should have married you before I married my wife!!! My dear wife is pursuing a PHD...and I have no problem with that kabisa. Infact she forced me to do a second degree (which I thank her for...)thinking that by having more papers than me, italeta shida. She has come to believe more in me because of the independence I have accorded her to make informed decisions about herself. And I am telling you money and love are all flowing in my direction, courtesy of her. I think the mentality we men have of wanting to control everything can only lead to destruction. I sometimes ask how some men feel being asked to provide each and every item a woman needs in the house. I thank God for blessing me with a very hard working woma...but do I say!
Dash
#29 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:12:27 PM
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@ kusadikika...so as u've stated thats what you would expect of your wife but would not want the same for your sister or daughter? Double standards anyone? Or i did not understand you? Did you mean you would not mind your daughter being illiterate but as long as she is fulfilling her womanly duty of being a stay at home mother and wife. Lucky you!! You do not have to budget for university fees for your daughter in accordance to chauvinistic outlook for career women. Your daughter, to be, not so lucky. Housewife duties are just as hard as any job and props to the women who do it. Especially having to deal with some small minded men who have inferiority complexes and lack of self worth. Kusadikika am i hearing some teeth gritting???
radio
#30 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:48:26 PM
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@Wendz Applause Applause

I am not married but one thing that always baffles me is how can one know how a lady will behave once she is loaded.... is it a matter of gambling and hoping money wont change her!

@All...
I agree with the opinion that the 'mother figure' really influences our choices for a wife...

On the other hand, the idea of a 'house wife' cant work for me. I would want a wife who knows how to manage property and I wife who knows the loops of how to provide for the family with or without me... I always wonder what would have been of my siblings and I had my mother been a house wife who never knew how to make hay in the untimely departure of dad.

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