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murchr wrote:thuks wrote:Liv wrote:twesha13 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:twesha13 wrote:so doctor's union officials have been locked up for a month. So how will this help in solving the problem. I know the law is an ass but surely the lawgivers are not supposed to be asses too, or are they? This decision will likely only harden positions. Plus, by buying into the victim/under-dog complex, the Magistrate has handed someone a lease on a future career in politics. If they want Unions to behave the courts should do what the Canadians and Americans do. Fine the entire enterprise a crazy sum, like a 100K for every day in default, as a first option, amount to be paid even if the leaders end up in jail. very true @wakanyugi. political careers launched while our relatives upcountry suffer for lack of medication while quack doctors make a kill
I think the magistrate argued that the problem could not be solved whether they were in or out of jail. Having them out was also making them harden their position and getting a solution was not assured. They could not even listen to an experienced trade unionist like Atwoli. They won't call off the strike and they can't be jailed twice for the same offence. How's that a solution? The strike is illegal, the docs can now be fired. Fire doctors? How many are tarmacking?maybe employ all clinical officers but again..... where a woman rules, rivers run uphill!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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twesha13 wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:Liv wrote:twesha13 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:twesha13 wrote:so doctor's union officials have been locked up for a month. So how will this help in solving the problem. I know the law is an ass but surely the lawgivers are not supposed to be asses too, or are they? This decision will likely only harden positions. Plus, by buying into the victim/under-dog complex, the Magistrate has handed someone a lease on a future career in politics. If they want Unions to behave the courts should do what the Canadians and Americans do. Fine the entire enterprise a crazy sum, like a 100K for every day in default, as a first option, amount to be paid even if the leaders end up in jail. very true @wakanyugi. political careers launched while our relatives upcountry suffer for lack of medication while quack doctors make a kill
I think the magistrate argued that the problem could not be solved whether they were in or out of jail. Having them out was also making them harden their position and getting a solution was not assured. They could not even listen to an experienced trade unionist like Atwoli. They won't call off the strike and they can't be jailed twice for the same offence. How's that a solution? The strike is illegal, the docs can now be fired. Fire doctors? How many are tarmacking?maybe employ all clinical officers but again..... Ati clinical officers? Sawa I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Those beautiful queens are inside too? WOW! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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twesha13 wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:Liv wrote:twesha13 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:twesha13 wrote:so doctor's union officials have been locked up for a month. So how will this help in solving the problem. I know the law is an ass but surely the lawgivers are not supposed to be asses too, or are they? This decision will likely only harden positions. Plus, by buying into the victim/under-dog complex, the Magistrate has handed someone a lease on a future career in politics. If they want Unions to behave the courts should do what the Canadians and Americans do. Fine the entire enterprise a crazy sum, like a 100K for every day in default, as a first option, amount to be paid even if the leaders end up in jail. very true @wakanyugi. political careers launched while our relatives upcountry suffer for lack of medication while quack doctors make a kill
I think the magistrate argued that the problem could not be solved whether they were in or out of jail. Having them out was also making them harden their position and getting a solution was not assured. They could not even listen to an experienced trade unionist like Atwoli. They won't call off the strike and they can't be jailed twice for the same offence. How's that a solution? The strike is illegal, the docs can now be fired. Fire doctors? How many are tarmacking?maybe employ all clinical officers but again..... Before you swallow a mango seed, you must know the size of your anus! Where you are - you must be flushed with doctors! POOR CORRUPT 3RD WORLD COUNTRY! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Is it true doctors in Bomet wako job? What is different there?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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thuks wrote:twesha13 wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:Liv wrote:twesha13 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:twesha13 wrote:so doctor's union officials have been locked up for a month. So how will this help in solving the problem. I know the law is an ass but surely the lawgivers are not supposed to be asses too, or are they? This decision will likely only harden positions. Plus, by buying into the victim/under-dog complex, the Magistrate has handed someone a lease on a future career in politics. If they want Unions to behave the courts should do what the Canadians and Americans do. Fine the entire enterprise a crazy sum, like a 100K for every day in default, as a first option, amount to be paid even if the leaders end up in jail. very true @wakanyugi. political careers launched while our relatives upcountry suffer for lack of medication while quack doctors make a kill
I think the magistrate argued that the problem could not be solved whether they were in or out of jail. Having them out was also making them harden their position and getting a solution was not assured. They could not even listen to an experienced trade unionist like Atwoli. They won't call off the strike and they can't be jailed twice for the same offence. How's that a solution? The strike is illegal, the docs can now be fired. Fire doctors? How many are tarmacking?maybe employ all clinical officers but again..... Ati clinical officers? Sawa Clinical officers have been doing all the donkey work for years. Doctors only appear for surgeries and consultations, the work of observation and care is left for the nurses. For that reason alone, docs should work on contract basis (on call) and paid for the hours worked. That will work good for those with real jobs. 2015; 73% of all Health workers in Kenya served 3784 Private hospitals The other 27% workers served 4189 Govt hosp. Privatization of healthcare is taking a natural course. As I said before, you choose the Scandinavian way or the capitalistic way "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/30/2016 Posts: 39 Location: nairobi
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murchr wrote:thuks wrote:twesha13 wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:Liv wrote:twesha13 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:twesha13 wrote:so doctor's union officials have been locked up for a month. So how will this help in solving the problem. I know the law is an ass but surely the lawgivers are not supposed to be asses too, or are they? This decision will likely only harden positions. Plus, by buying into the victim/under-dog complex, the Magistrate has handed someone a lease on a future career in politics. If they want Unions to behave the courts should do what the Canadians and Americans do. Fine the entire enterprise a crazy sum, like a 100K for every day in default, as a first option, amount to be paid even if the leaders end up in jail. very true @wakanyugi. political careers launched while our relatives upcountry suffer for lack of medication while quack doctors make a kill
I think the magistrate argued that the problem could not be solved whether they were in or out of jail. Having them out was also making them harden their position and getting a solution was not assured. They could not even listen to an experienced trade unionist like Atwoli. They won't call off the strike and they can't be jailed twice for the same offence. How's that a solution? The strike is illegal, the docs can now be fired. Fire doctors? How many are tarmacking?maybe employ all clinical officers but again..... Ati clinical officers? Sawa Clinical officers have been doing all the donkey work for years. Doctors only appear for surgeries and consultations, the work of observation and care is left for the nurses. For that reason alone, docs should work on contract basis (on call) and paid for the hours worked. That will work good for those with real jobs. 2015; 73% of all Health workers in Kenya served 3784 Private hospitals The other 27% workers served 4189 Govt hosp. Privatization of healthcare is taking a natural course. As I said before, you choose the Scandinavian way or the capitalistic way so now doctors in private practice down their tools for 48hrs! Drama continues! where a woman rules, rivers run uphill!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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washiku wrote:Is it true doctors in Bomet wako job? What is different there? Yes they are...they could not remove the bandage tough! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Impunity wrote:washiku wrote:Is it true doctors in Bomet wako job? What is different there? Yes they are...they could not remove the bandage tough! 
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washiku wrote:Is it true doctors in Bomet wako job? What is different there? Bomet and Lamu. The only two counties where sanity seems to have prevailed. In both cases the trick was not more money (at east according to the Lamu Governor). It was mutual respect and a genuine attempt to resolve problems. Doctors are not the unreasonable monsters we are being led to believe they are. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:washiku wrote:Is it true doctors in Bomet wako job? What is different there? Bomet and Lamu. The only two counties where sanity seems to have prevailed. In both cases the trick was not more money (at east according to the Lamu Governor). It was mutual respect and a genuine attempt to resolve problems. Doctors are not the unreasonable monsters we are being led to believe they are. True possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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twesha13 wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:twesha13 wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:Liv wrote:twesha13 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:twesha13 wrote:so doctor's union officials have been locked up for a month. So how will this help in solving the problem. I know the law is an ass but surely the lawgivers are not supposed to be asses too, or are they? This decision will likely only harden positions. Plus, by buying into the victim/under-dog complex, the Magistrate has handed someone a lease on a future career in politics. If they want Unions to behave the courts should do what the Canadians and Americans do. Fine the entire enterprise a crazy sum, like a 100K for every day in default, as a first option, amount to be paid even if the leaders end up in jail. very true @wakanyugi. political careers launched while our relatives upcountry suffer for lack of medication while quack doctors make a kill
I think the magistrate argued that the problem could not be solved whether they were in or out of jail. Having them out was also making them harden their position and getting a solution was not assured. They could not even listen to an experienced trade unionist like Atwoli. They won't call off the strike and they can't be jailed twice for the same offence. How's that a solution? The strike is illegal, the docs can now be fired. Fire doctors? How many are tarmacking?maybe employ all clinical officers but again..... Ati clinical officers? Sawa Clinical officers have been doing all the donkey work for years. Doctors only appear for surgeries and consultations, the work of observation and care is left for the nurses. For that reason alone, docs should work on contract basis (on call) and paid for the hours worked. That will work good for those with real jobs. 2015; 73% of all Health workers in Kenya served 3784 Private hospitals The other 27% workers served 4189 Govt hosp. Privatization of healthcare is taking a natural course. As I said before, you choose the Scandinavian way or the capitalistic way so now doctors in private practice down their tools for 48hrs! Drama continues! Let them do it. Its purely business no work no pay. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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murchr wrote:twesha13 wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:twesha13 wrote:murchr wrote:thuks wrote:Liv wrote:twesha13 wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:twesha13 wrote:so doctor's union officials have been locked up for a month. So how will this help in solving the problem. I know the law is an ass but surely the lawgivers are not supposed to be asses too, or are they? This decision will likely only harden positions. Plus, by buying into the victim/under-dog complex, the Magistrate has handed someone a lease on a future career in politics. If they want Unions to behave the courts should do what the Canadians and Americans do. Fine the entire enterprise a crazy sum, like a 100K for every day in default, as a first option, amount to be paid even if the leaders end up in jail. very true @wakanyugi. political careers launched while our relatives upcountry suffer for lack of medication while quack doctors make a kill
I think the magistrate argued that the problem could not be solved whether they were in or out of jail. Having them out was also making them harden their position and getting a solution was not assured. They could not even listen to an experienced trade unionist like Atwoli. They won't call off the strike and they can't be jailed twice for the same offence. How's that a solution? The strike is illegal, the docs can now be fired. Fire doctors? How many are tarmacking?maybe employ all clinical officers but again..... Ati clinical officers? Sawa Clinical officers have been doing all the donkey work for years. Doctors only appear for surgeries and consultations, the work of observation and care is left for the nurses. For that reason alone, docs should work on contract basis (on call) and paid for the hours worked. That will work good for those with real jobs. 2015; 73% of all Health workers in Kenya served 3784 Private hospitals The other 27% workers served 4189 Govt hosp. Privatization of healthcare is taking a natural course. As I said before, you choose the Scandinavian way or the capitalistic way so now doctors in private practice down their tools for 48hrs! Drama continues! Let them do it. Its purely business no work no pay. I foresee private hospitals being sued for refusing to offer services to patients who have already paid or have medical cover.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:washiku wrote:Is it true doctors in Bomet wako job? What is different there? Bomet and Lamu. The only two counties where sanity seems to have prevailed. In both cases the trick was not more money (at east according to the Lamu Governor). It was mutual respect and a genuine attempt to resolve problems. Doctors are not the unreasonable monsters we are being led to believe they are. True and locking up the leadership is not going to help All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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Funny. ..how Kenyans support blatant disobedience of court orders. We have always accused the political class of the same. A people that supports disobedience of court orders cannot be said to respect the rule of law. ..cannot expect to call upon the same laws to protect them. Please tell me why you would go to court to get a decision to defend your rights while you know no one will obey the court orders so obtained. This is always the root cause for the chaos that we will always complain about. .. At this rate. ..ni maombi tu. .. Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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githundi wrote:Funny. ..how Kenyans support blatant disobedience of court orders. We have always accused the political class of the same. A people that supports disobedience of court orders cannot be said to respect the rule of law. ..cannot expect to call upon the same laws to protect them.
Please tell me why you would go to court to get a decision to defend your rights while you know no one will obey the court orders so obtained. This is always the root cause for the chaos that we will always complain about. ..
At this rate. ..ni maombi tu. .. You are taking us round and round in circles boss... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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I'm waiting for instances of professional negligence by the doctors to be mentioned and dissected as well.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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There is a CBA between doctors and the government circulating on wazup – I have reviewed and not seen anything about the patients.. its all about the doctors. Is it the real one?? The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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maka wrote:githundi wrote:Funny. ..how Kenyans support blatant disobedience of court orders. We have always accused the political class of the same. A people that supports disobedience of court orders cannot be said to respect the rule of law. ..cannot expect to call upon the same laws to protect them.
Please tell me why you would go to court to get a decision to defend your rights while you know no one will obey the court orders so obtained. This is always the root cause for the chaos that we will always complain about. ..
At this rate. ..ni maombi tu. .. You are taking us round and round in circles boss... Unlike Hambaglur, I conduct polls...My poll has shown that the only people who think that jailing doctors is cool and ethical are Kameme listeners. The rest removed goggles kitambo sana. Githundi please understand something. Everyone is in agreement that disobeying court orders should land you in problems. In fact, you won't find anyone saying that it is illegal to jail them. The doctors accepted their fate and are now in jail. Of course only Jubilee honchos avoid court orders but what do I know. There is another issue. The issue of an order that was meant to blackmail these heroes. That is what Kenyans of all parties, creed, tribe, color etc except kameme listeners are not happy about. So yes, the doctors are serving their time. And no jubilee stinks more than the doctors. I know that concept is hard to understand when you are confused between supporting muraguri in nyeri getting people to vote and the life of Kenyans dying in their homes because Muraguri refused to attend meetings. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Interesting...the go slow is on it seems. possunt quia posse videntur
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