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I want a gun, officially!
Ngalaka
#91 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2017 12:42:09 PM
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Taurrus wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
[quote=FRM2011][quote=sitaki.kujulikana][quote=Obi 1 Kanobi]/quote]
@FRM2011, your theory doesn't make sense. I presume that;
1. You enter into a signed agreement with Shell, so things are done per the agreement, issues of eviction must then follow the agreement.
2. The infrastructure that houses the station is yours and not shells so they can't really evict you, you can opt to take your business to the competition
3. Shell uses their sales people (account managers) whose core role is to drive sales, stock-outs and low sales is the responsibility of the sales team and account managers and not the station owner. Shell as a company is interested in pushing countrywide sales, and targets
4. I would expect fuel to have a separate account from lubricants such that your fuel account status is not affected by slow moving lubricants.

I tend to agree with @Sitakikujulikana's theory, this guy is a politician and I have learned to not trust them at all, they are all corrupt and think they can get away with anything, I bet he was selling adulterated fuel purchased from those dodgy trucks.

Never give a Kenyan politician the benefit of the doubt


Am afraid you are wrong in all the above. I worked for 6 months as a station manager under a shell dealership.

Until the other day when they started taking over previously independent stations, the practice before was for shell to put up the entire infrastructure, while you provide the land.

Even now, everything belongs to shell, including the pumps, tanks and fire fighting equipment. Everything has a shell sticker including the cage for gas cylinders. You only own the inventory.

An account manager has a target to drive sales but if you don't meet your target, they start threats of giving the station to someone else. It's why they will send you an email on 31st March and tell you you must buy lubricants worth a certain amount by end of day to meet the quarterly target. And you can't get fuel until you clear the lubricants invoice.

Let me explain how a take over happens because I experienced one. Senior guys show up early in the morning and they seal off the premises. Your employees are evicted. You cannot even access the office. They take charge and advise you to pursue your account settlement at their head office. If they tell you that your tanks were leaking and there is water in the fuel tank, your stocks worth like 6M is gone just like that. And they will deduct it from your deposit.

It's your land but can't access it anymore. For the senator, it's either that junior employees were unable to evict him or it's a strategic site and polycarp has an interest. Otherwise, this is a first time for a CEO to be involved in KYM tasks.

Same with eabl dealerships,the zeal with which that guy was acting said soo much, lucky he is not in a morgue,the senator didn't shoot in air,the gun went off!


Yeah
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
On account of being frightened intensely, as goons were beckoned to pounce - his hands were trembling, a result of which the fingers accidentally pressed on the triggerLaughing out loudly
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mkenyan
#92 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2017 4:07:56 PM
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Joined: 4/1/2009
Posts: 1,885
Ngalaka wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
[quote=FRM2011][quote=sitaki.kujulikana][quote=Obi 1 Kanobi]/quote]
@FRM2011, your theory doesn't make sense. I presume that;
1. You enter into a signed agreement with Shell, so things are done per the agreement, issues of eviction must then follow the agreement.
2. The infrastructure that houses the station is yours and not shells so they can't really evict you, you can opt to take your business to the competition
3. Shell uses their sales people (account managers) whose core role is to drive sales, stock-outs and low sales is the responsibility of the sales team and account managers and not the station owner. Shell as a company is interested in pushing countrywide sales, and targets
4. I would expect fuel to have a separate account from lubricants such that your fuel account status is not affected by slow moving lubricants.

I tend to agree with @Sitakikujulikana's theory, this guy is a politician and I have learned to not trust them at all, they are all corrupt and think they can get away with anything, I bet he was selling adulterated fuel purchased from those dodgy trucks.

Never give a Kenyan politician the benefit of the doubt


Am afraid you are wrong in all the above. I worked for 6 months as a station manager under a shell dealership.

Until the other day when they started taking over previously independent stations, the practice before was for shell to put up the entire infrastructure, while you provide the land.

Even now, everything belongs to shell, including the pumps, tanks and fire fighting equipment. Everything has a shell sticker including the cage for gas cylinders. You only own the inventory.

An account manager has a target to drive sales but if you don't meet your target, they start threats of giving the station to someone else. It's why they will send you an email on 31st March and tell you you must buy lubricants worth a certain amount by end of day to meet the quarterly target. And you can't get fuel until you clear the lubricants invoice.

Let me explain how a take over happens because I experienced one. Senior guys show up early in the morning and they seal off the premises. Your employees are evicted. You cannot even access the office. They take charge and advise you to pursue your account settlement at their head office. If they tell you that your tanks were leaking and there is water in the fuel tank, your stocks worth like 6M is gone just like that. And they will deduct it from your deposit.

It's your land but can't access it anymore. For the senator, it's either that junior employees were unable to evict him or it's a strategic site and polycarp has an interest. Otherwise, this is a first time for a CEO to be involved in KYM tasks.

Same with eabl dealerships,the zeal with which that guy was acting said soo much, lucky he is not in a morgue,the senator didn't shoot in air,the gun went off!


Yeah
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
On account of being frightened intensely, as goons were beckoned to pounce - his hands were trembling, a result of which the fingers accidentally pressed on the triggerLaughing out loudly

affirmative. and even the gun wasn't his. it miraculously dropped onto his hands when the igathe fellow drew it to finish him.
Thitifini
#93 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2017 5:16:40 PM
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Joined: 1/15/2015
Posts: 681
Location: Kenya
mkenyan wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
[quote=FRM2011][quote=sitaki.kujulikana][quote=Obi 1 Kanobi]/quote]
@FRM2011, your theory doesn't make sense. I presume that;
1. You enter into a signed agreement with Shell, so things are done per the agreement, issues of eviction must then follow the agreement.
2. The infrastructure that houses the station is yours and not shells so they can't really evict you, you can opt to take your business to the competition
3. Shell uses their sales people (account managers) whose core role is to drive sales, stock-outs and low sales is the responsibility of the sales team and account managers and not the station owner. Shell as a company is interested in pushing countrywide sales, and targets
4. I would expect fuel to have a separate account from lubricants such that your fuel account status is not affected by slow moving lubricants.

I tend to agree with @Sitakikujulikana's theory, this guy is a politician and I have learned to not trust them at all, they are all corrupt and think they can get away with anything, I bet he was selling adulterated fuel purchased from those dodgy trucks.

Never give a Kenyan politician the benefit of the doubt


Am afraid you are wrong in all the above. I worked for 6 months as a station manager under a shell dealership.

Until the other day when they started taking over previously independent stations, the practice before was for shell to put up the entire infrastructure, while you provide the land.

Even now, everything belongs to shell, including the pumps, tanks and fire fighting equipment. Everything has a shell sticker including the cage for gas cylinders. You only own the inventory.

An account manager has a target to drive sales but if you don't meet your target, they start threats of giving the station to someone else. It's why they will send you an email on 31st March and tell you you must buy lubricants worth a certain amount by end of day to meet the quarterly target. And you can't get fuel until you clear the lubricants invoice.

Let me explain how a take over happens because I experienced one. Senior guys show up early in the morning and they seal off the premises. Your employees are evicted. You cannot even access the office. They take charge and advise you to pursue your account settlement at their head office. If they tell you that your tanks were leaking and there is water in the fuel tank, your stocks worth like 6M is gone just like that. And they will deduct it from your deposit.

It's your land but can't access it anymore. For the senator, it's either that junior employees were unable to evict him or it's a strategic site and polycarp has an interest. Otherwise, this is a first time for a CEO to be involved in KYM tasks.

Same with eabl dealerships,the zeal with which that guy was acting said soo much, lucky he is not in a morgue,the senator didn't shoot in air,the gun went off!


Yeah
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
On account of being frightened intensely, as goons were beckoned to pounce - his hands were trembling, a result of which the fingers accidentally pressed on the triggerLaughing out loudly

affirmative. and even the gun wasn't his. it miraculously dropped onto his hands when the igathe fellow drew it to finish him.


Which gun? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

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sitaki.kujulikana
#94 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2017 6:58:13 PM
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Joined: 8/25/2012
Posts: 1,826
FRM2011 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
[quote=FRM2011][quote=sitaki.kujulikana][quote=Obi 1 Kanobi]/quote]
@FRM2011, your theory doesn't make sense. I presume that;
1. You enter into a signed agreement with Shell, so things are done per the agreement, issues of eviction must then follow the agreement.
2. The infrastructure that houses the station is yours and not shells so they can't really evict you, you can opt to take your business to the competition
3. Shell uses their sales people (account managers) whose core role is to drive sales, stock-outs and low sales is the responsibility of the sales team and account managers and not the station owner. Shell as a company is interested in pushing countrywide sales, and targets
4. I would expect fuel to have a separate account from lubricants such that your fuel account status is not affected by slow moving lubricants.

I tend to agree with @Sitakikujulikana's theory, this guy is a politician and I have learned to not trust them at all, they are all corrupt and think they can get away with anything, I bet he was selling adulterated fuel purchased from those dodgy trucks.

Never give a Kenyan politician the benefit of the doubt


Am afraid you are wrong in all the above. I worked for 6 months as a station manager under a shell dealership.

Until the other day when they started taking over previously independent stations, the practice before was for shell to put up the entire infrastructure, while you provide the land.

Even now, everything belongs to shell, including the pumps, tanks and fire fighting equipment. Everything has a shell sticker including the cage for gas cylinders. You only own the inventory.

An account manager has a target to drive sales but if you don't meet your target, they start threats of giving the station to someone else. It's why they will send you an email on 31st March and tell you you must buy lubricants worth a certain amount by end of day to meet the quarterly target. And you can't get fuel until you clear the lubricants invoice.

Let me explain how a take over happens because I experienced one. Senior guys show up early in the morning and they seal off the premises. Your employees are evicted. You cannot even access the office. They take charge and advise you to pursue your account settlement at their head office. If they tell you that your tanks were leaking and there is water in the fuel tank, your stocks worth like 6M is gone just like that. And they will deduct it from your deposit.

It's your land but can't access it anymore. For the senator, it's either that junior employees were unable to evict him or it's a strategic site and polycarp has an interest. Otherwise, this is a first time for a CEO to be involved in KYM tasks.

hapo you have added chumvi kidogo, don't scare potential fuel stationowners away. So they also revert the title to their name smile, kidding.
but honestly poly can't give away your land to someone else.

I remember the recent kiambu road station that vivo closed due to card skimming, in that case all they did was come and take away their branding and the station continued operating as an independent station.
sitaki.kujulikana
#95 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2017 7:02:12 PM
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Joined: 8/25/2012
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Swenani wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Too many conclusions being drawn from TV footage, there has to be a reason why Shell specifically targeted this Petrol station.

Plus the issue of trespass does not arise as I can bet the franchise agreement gives Shell employees unlimited access to the station.

Lakini if there was a court order which Polycarp ignored, then he could be in deep shit. corporate deeply detest risk (the MNC's especially live to mitigate risk) and any senior employee who places the company at risk knowingly is as good as cooked.

shida, some guys want the marketing and the benefits attached from franchise with the big firms and still too greedy they want to run the biashara as an independent outlet.
what happens, they end up getting fuel from those funny trucks, the fuel is mostly adulterated, denting the firms image, when the guys from the firms come to check they are threatened with guns and the regulatory guys look the other way due to connections.


You are introducing a new angle. According to Polycarp, shell were evicting the senator because of a stock-out inconviencing their clients.

Senator Njoroge has talked about the dead stock of lubricants. I have experienced this. They use the lubricants trick to mess your cash flow resulting in stock-outs.

One more thing, to get fuel on Monday evening, you need to pay by 2pm Friday. When they want to evict you, someone will just delay updating their system and you are bila fuel.


@FRM2011, your theory doesn't make sense. I presume that;
1. You enter into a signed agreement with Shell, so things are done per the agreement, issues of eviction must then follow the agreement.
2. The infrastructure that houses the station is yours and not shells so they can't really evict you, you can opt to take your business to the competition
3. Shell uses their sales people (account managers) whose core role is to drive sales, stock-outs and low sales is the responsibility of the sales team and account managers and not the station owner. Shell as a company is interested in pushing countrywide sales, and targets
4. I would expect fuel to have a separate account from lubricants such that your fuel account status is not affected by slow moving lubricants.

I tend to agree with @Sitakikujulikana's theory, this guy is a politician and I have learned to not trust them at all, they are all corrupt and think they can get away with anything, I bet he was selling adulterated fuel purchased from those dodgy trucks.

Never give a Kenyan politician the benefit of the doubt


Why would a CEO be involved in eviction with no police. From my limited understanding of Franchise management, a francisor cannot evict a franchisee, they can only terminate the franchise agreement.

Why would they evict you on your property yet you are the owner of the property and all the inventory and you pay them their royalty and management fees?

Don't know about the CEO, but any franchise (of course depending on the agreement), once terminated those giving you the franchise will come and collect what is theirs. If they own the pumps and tanks then they come and take the same, if they only own the branding then watakuja and tear down the same.
masukuma
#96 Posted : Saturday, February 11, 2017 4:33:57 AM
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guns are made for use... the fellow used his to stop marauding goons!
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2012
#97 Posted : Sunday, February 12, 2017 8:47:54 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Another idiot.

How are these gun holders vetted??? The vetting system is broken!!!
I suspect worse is going to come from these special breed of Kenyans (civilian gun owners) who are above the rest of us.

The idiot

BBI will solve it
:)
maka
#98 Posted : Sunday, February 12, 2017 11:01:44 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
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Location: Nairobi
2012 wrote:
Another idiot.

How are these gun holders vetted??? The vetting system is broken!!!
I suspect worse is going to come from these special breed of Kenyans (civilian gun owners) who are above the rest of us.

The idiot


http://nairobinews.natio...ws/keep-your-gun-locked/
possunt quia posse videntur
masukuma
#99 Posted : Saturday, January 06, 2018 1:46:01 PM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
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Location: Nairobi

All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Mukiri
#100 Posted : Sunday, January 07, 2018 5:22:39 AM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
HOW TO LEGALLY OWN A GUN/GET FIREARM LICENSE IN KENYA

1. Start with the local OCS, where you'll.... or the OCS will ....

2.


I have (painfully) gone through the entire thread. Other than @Ngong's input, there was nothing else pertaining to legally owning a gun nor getting a firearm license in Kenya.

Side-shows aside, would someone in the know, be kind enough to shed light?

Proverbs 19:21
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