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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I think this belongs here! http://www.if.pwr.wroc.p.../20110916_Trondheim.pdf
I consider this to be the only way out of blind humanism and dogmatic 'religion'. Then when understood any myth of course can be validated.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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There's great consolation in realizing that for every thought I feel I have discovered, there's a history of people who'd worked on it earlier...
The heritage of thought and ideas alas, isn't something to trifle with, though I'm guilty perhaps, of being the biggest trifler.
For example, when we quote the scriptures in a way that simply seeks to glorify our ideological positions now and perhaps ridicule the works of others past, we should pose and find out what exactly is at stake. In this case simply trashing the old or showing that 'God blah blah' may in fact be repudiating a key atheistic element that humans can solve most if not all of their issues through means accessible to them.
So for an atheist the Scriptures should be more of how humans have resolved their problems through appeal to God; even through creating or postulating him as an arbiter of reality.
But being an atheist isn't necessarily being a thinker... it may just be of mindless factions, and a thread such as this merely an empty boast.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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hamburglar wrote:Lolest! wrote:hamburglar wrote:Much Know wrote:hamburglar wrote:Much Know wrote:Thou shall not kill, God has never ever killed, literature is not just easily understood by everybody but if you are old enough to log into wazua, you should know enough about the philosophy of God to "know" that God does not kill, hata by std 3 CRE knowledge one should know and shouldn't argue about God killing e.t.c. Poor literary and language skills! Very poor!  But even one of the biggest loudmouths in Kenya only got C- in CRE. Even when the athiest blames God for murder, the atheist "does not" believe in "god" and therefore is only taunting you, he too knows very well that if the people in sodom were burnt, it was actually by "nature" and not God. Even the "god" of atheist can't kill! As per the Bible also, God does not kill, beings kill themselves and each other all the way from the beggining. Language is a challenge for most, but God HIMSELF wrote "Thou shall not kill" with his own handwriting, and we have no other such physical evidence of God's communication, except "inspired" writings, by Moses, the Key witness to this handwritten note from God, and other inspired writtings, these are NOT by God. Understand the difference between God's laws and Moses laws, is essential to understanding the entire bible. Jesus is a "replica" of God and also did not kill at all or promote killing in any way, indeed he was killed, that says what people who think they are "more intelligent" than God, would eventually do to God if they met him, they would immediately try to KILL HIM! They can't stand God! In philosophy, the applications for the notion of God,s runs across every sector, from "Acts of God" in business, to God's knowledge in science, to God's hand in economics. You cannot find a word or language to replace real and existing concepts just to satisfy some gays, the US public schools system tried and it failed. IT is necessary in science, languages, history, e.t.c. IF you've never come across these concepts hauna phd, na haujasoma sana, that's an idiot who don't know the difference between capital G and small g, is a real idiot in life for sure. Even many atheist use God. Incase you haven't noticed, am just quoting Bible verses verbatim. I am only sharing scripture for my saved brothers and sisters to enjoy and to be uplifted, aren't you supposed to say amen instead? Mimi sija comment anywhere, ni sermons tu directly from the Bible. The Bible says something about the one with no sin casting the first stone, or some shit like that, and wewe you've already stoned me almost to death. Lol. Alafu matusi tena ni ya nini sasa? Can't we for once just fellowship without any drama? Would your father in heaven approve of the derogatory names you've called me? Hehehehe. You people amuse me. When I share my atheism ni matusi, when I share Bible verses on Sunday, matusi again. Sasa munataka nifanye nini? 😉 There also some other "religious" people on thread saying/arguing God kills! Matusi not just directed at you, but will reduce it! Otherwise, keep the sermons coming, can't wait for Sunday. That's the spirit. Sunday sermon will be lit, we shall be doing a two for one with my favorite book Leviticus on the plate. Am planning on inviting a choir to sing in the background as I share the scripture. We shall even drink that ka wine you guys drink in church. Can't wait. We are still waiting for a sermon What we have is quotes from passages you think are controversial Am feeling lazy and don't feel like preaching this morning. Maybe next Sunday. Controversial is such a nice way to describe those verses. I know you are still living in denial but sometimes it's OK to call a spade a spade. Keep it real. Those verses are shockingly scary. So you suppose we've never seen them?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hamburglar wrote:masukuma wrote:hamburglar wrote:Today we look at the books of Leviticus and Numbers. Happy Sunday all. Read and weep.
LEVITICUS 26:7-8 God rewarded obedience with assurances that enemies would all die by the sword.
LEVITICUS 26:22 God warned that, if the people didn’t listen to Him, he would send wild animals to rob parents of their children, destroy cattle and leave the roads deserted.
LEVITICUS 26:27-29 God threatened hostility, punishing people for their sins "seven times over," making them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters.
Numbers
NUMBERS 12:9-14 God was displeased with Miriam, so he struck her with leprosy and banished her from the camp for seven days.
NUMBERS 15:32-36 A man gathered sticks for a fire on the Sabbath. By God’s command, he was stoned to death.
NUMBERS 16:27-33 The men were rebellious, so God caused the earth to open and swallow up the men, wives and children.
NUMBERS 16:35 A fire from God killed 250 men.
NUMBER 16:48 A plague from God killed 14,700
NUMBERS 21:3 The Lord gave the Canaanites over to Israel, who "completely destroyed them and their towns."
NUMBERS 21:6 God sent venomous snakes, which bit and killed many Israelites.
NUMBERS 21:35 With God’s approval, the Israelites went into the city of Og, killed the king, his sons, the army (leaving no survivors) and took over the land.
NUMBERS 25:4 God told Moses to kill the leaders of Shittim and expose their bodies in broad daylight.
NUMBERS 25:8 Phinehas, son of Aaron the priest, killed an Israelite man and Midianite woman with a spear, plunging the spear "into the woman’s body."
NUMBERS 25:9 A plague from God killed 24,000.
NUMBERS 31:9 Under God’s command, the Israelites captured the Midianite women and children, and "they took all the plunder and spoils."
NUMBERS 31:17-18 God commanded Moses to kill all of the male Midianite children and "kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." The virgins were presumably raped. (NOTE: How could the soldiers know which women were virgins?)
NUMBERS 31:31-40 God divided the plunder to the soldiers, the priest, the Israelites and for tribute to the Lord. 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys and 32,000 virgin women. i think it would be more useful to just share the RINK No. That would take away all the fun from my Sunday mornings. I need to go book by book, most people won't click on the link if I put it up. Enjoy the verses wewe maspinach na uwache story za rink. Lol. @ham, go on. Do not be discouraged. Bit by bit is good. It will be here for reference.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,582
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The sole objective of these "sermons" is to "raise" and make you laugh at poor people on the streets from a restaurant because you have 60Kusd, useless garbage, sorry i participated,! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Much Know wrote:The sole objective of these "sermons" is to "raise" and make you laugh at poor people on the streets from a restaurant because you have 60Kusd, useless garbage, sorry i participated,! Just read the verses and stop attacking the messenger. Am not the one who wrote the Bible. Midweek Deuteronomy. Enjoy. DEUTERONOMY 2:33-34 Under God’s leadership, the Israelites utterly destroyed the men, women and children of Sihon. "…we left no survivors." DEUTERONOMY 3:6 Under God’s leadership, the Israelites destroyed the men, women and children of Og. They plundered the livestock and possessions. DEUTERONOMY 7:2 God told the Israelites, regarding their enemies, to "destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy." DEUTERONOMY 20:13-14 God laid down the rules for battle, instructing the slaughter of all of the men. Women, children, livestock and possessions could be taken as "plunder for yourselves." DEUTERONOMY 20:16 "…in the cities of the nations the LORD your god is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes." DEUTERONOMY 21:10-13 According to God’s law, if an Israelite soldier was at war with an enemy, and he saw a beautiful woman that he found attractive, he could capture her to be his wife. She must then shave her head, trim her nails and discard the clothing she was wearing when captured. She could mourn her father and mother for a month. If the soldier wasn’t pleased with her for any reason, he could "let her go wherever she wishes." DEUTERONOMY 28:53 God’s punishment for disobedience included eating "the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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If God doesn't kill, then what causes death?
Is war necessary? How can we justify our killings?
Maybe to explore the latter question, how is death justified nowadays especially be nation states?
How do comparisons on how death is justified even in contemporary times show how religion has changed?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The Scriptures are schizophrenic.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:If God doesn't kill, then what causes death?
Is war necessary? How can we justify our killings?
Maybe to explore the latter question, how is death justified nowadays especially be nation states?
How do comparisons on how death is justified even in contemporary times show how religion has changed?
Everybody must pass on from this world. There's no exception. Doctors, good diet etc can only prolong the inevitable but it will happen. So make your peace and be good with your creator, whomever that is to you....
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:tycho wrote:If God doesn't kill, then what causes death?
Is war necessary? How can we justify our killings?
Maybe to explore the latter question, how is death justified nowadays especially be nation states?
How do comparisons on how death is justified even in contemporary times show how religion has changed?
Everybody must pass on from this world. There's no exception. Doctors, good diet etc can only prolong the inevitable but it will happen. So make your peace and be good with your creator, whomever that is to you.... If there's no choice, why is it necessary to tell me 'to make my peace'? If death was necessary why speak about after all? Maybe death is a fiction specific to certain world views.
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