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Elliott Wave Analysis Of The NSE 20
VituVingiSana
#2511 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 9:51:54 AM
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mnandii wrote:
Beware of dead cat bounce in NSE rise

Quote:
January has been the worst month for investors since 2009, with the market dropping 370 points. To make it even weirder, all this happened despite the absence of any notable catastrophe in the economy or major change in the same.


BD link

We have always argued in these pages that movements in the stock market (and all financial markets) are not influenced by outside causes. The guy is wondering why the market has moved south without any cause.

Movements in the financial markets are endogenous i.e they arise out of social mood which is part and parcel of human nature. The waves of social mood are patterned according to The Wave Principle. That is why they have predictive value.

Those waiting on Safaricom fundamentals to predict where the share might go will be disappointed.

Social mood affects everything that you do.

A simple question can be asked. Does war make people angry ? The assumption here is that war caused
people to be angry, but, wait, what caused the war in the first place?

An Elliottician (Socionomist) would reverse the statement to imply that angry people make war. In this case the proper cause (anger, mood) results in war (effect).

Interesting. So what will cause the social mood to change from negative to positive?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#2512 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 10:37:41 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Beware of dead cat bounce in NSE rise

Quote:
January has been the worst month for investors since 2009, with the market dropping 370 points. To make it even weirder, all this happened despite the absence of any notable catastrophe in the economy or major change in the same.


BD link

We have always argued in these pages that movements in the stock market (and all financial markets) are not influenced by outside causes. The guy is wondering why the market has moved south without any cause.

Movements in the financial markets are endogenous i.e they arise out of social mood which is part and parcel of human nature. The waves of social mood are patterned according to The Wave Principle. That is why they have predictive value.

Those waiting on Safaricom fundamentals to predict where the share might go will be disappointed.

Social mood affects everything that you do.

A simple question can be asked. Does war make people angry ? The assumption here is that war caused
people to be angry, but, wait, what caused the war in the first place?

An Elliottician (Sociologist) would reverse the statement to imply that angry people make war. In this case the proper cause (anger, mood) results in war (effect).

Interesting. So what will cause the social mood to change from negative to positive?


I don't buy the social mood theory. Cause and effect is like chicken and egg. For instance people get stressed when they lack money. They don't get stressed then lose money.
Life is short. Live passionately.
wukan
#2513 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 3:15:32 PM
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Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,653
VituVingiSana wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Beware of dead cat bounce in NSE rise

Quote:
January has been the worst month for investors since 2009, with the market dropping 370 points. To make it even weirder, all this happened despite the absence of any notable catastrophe in the economy or major change in the same.


BD link

We have always argued in these pages that movements in the stock market (and all financial markets) are not influenced by outside causes. The guy is wondering why the market has moved south without any cause.

Movements in the financial markets are endogenous i.e they arise out of social mood which is part and parcel of human nature. The waves of social mood are patterned according to The Wave Principle. That is why they have predictive value.

Those waiting on Safaricom fundamentals to predict where the share might go will be disappointed.

Social mood affects everything that you do.

A simple question can be asked. Does war make people angry ? The assumption here is that war caused
people to be angry, but, wait, what caused the war in the first place?

An Elliottician (Socionomist) would reverse the statement to imply that angry people make war. In this case the proper cause (anger, mood) results in war (effect).

Interesting. So what will cause the social mood to change from negative to positive?


The cause is usually not important rather catching the waves of social mood is what matters. The social mood moves in a defined pattern so look for the point of maximum despondency and profit from the return of euphoria. The change to a positive sentiment will come once the social mood waves are done.
hisah
#2514 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 5:07:00 PM
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Waiting for the rebound test at the 3000 handle which was a strong support level now turned resistance.

The market has rebounded 119 points since it printed 2789.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
VituVingiSana
#2515 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 11:13:04 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
wukan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Beware of dead cat bounce in NSE rise

Quote:
January has been the worst month for investors since 2009, with the market dropping 370 points. To make it even weirder, all this happened despite the absence of any notable catastrophe in the economy or major change in the same.


BD link

We have always argued in these pages that movements in the stock market (and all financial markets) are not influenced by outside causes. The guy is wondering why the market has moved south without any cause.

Movements in the financial markets are endogenous i.e they arise out of social mood which is part and parcel of human nature. The waves of social mood are patterned according to The Wave Principle. That is why they have predictive value.

Those waiting on Safaricom fundamentals to predict where the share might go will be disappointed.

Social mood affects everything that you do.

A simple question can be asked. Does war make people angry ? The assumption here is that war caused
people to be angry, but, wait, what caused the war in the first place?

An Elliottician (Socionomist) would reverse the statement to imply that angry people make war. In this case the proper cause (anger, mood) results in war (effect).

Interesting. So what will cause the social mood to change from negative to positive?


The cause is usually not important rather catching the waves of social mood is what matters. The social mood moves in a defined pattern so look for the point of maximum despondency and profit from the return of euphoria. The change to a positive sentiment will come once the social mood waves are done.

So when does that happen? There's no point in telling me, in June 2018, that the "change" happened in Dec 2017. When do you see the point of maximum despondency?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
lochaz-index
#2516 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2017 8:25:01 AM
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Posts: 1,127
hisah wrote:
Waiting for the rebound test at the 3000 handle which was a strong support level now turned resistance.

The market has rebounded 119 points since it printed 2789.

Agreed. The relief rally continues to just below the 3000 level then the downleg resumes just as bank FY results check in.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
lochaz-index
#2517 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2017 8:51:05 AM
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Joined: 9/18/2014
Posts: 1,127
mnandii wrote:
Beware of dead cat bounce in NSE rise

Quote:
January has been the worst month for investors since 2009, with the market dropping 370 points. To make it even weirder, all this happened despite the absence of any notable catastrophe in the economy or major change in the same.


BD link

We have always argued in these pages that movements in the stock market (and all financial markets) are not influenced by outside causes. The guy is wondering why the market has moved south without any cause.

Movements in the financial markets are endogenous i.e they arise out of social mood which is part and parcel of human nature. The waves of social mood are patterned according to The Wave Principle. That is why they have predictive value.

Those waiting on Safaricom fundamentals to predict where the share might go will be disappointed. I think this bear will have the largest number of casualties and deliver the most devastating losses. The premise here is simple; this has been a slow grinder of a bear, it doesn't afford investors that moment to absolutely capitulate/freak out and thereby cut one's losses and run for hills. It has given investors hope all along. Moreover, the average investor is yet to figure out why we are in a bear in the first place.

Social mood affects everything that you do.

A simple question can be asked. Does war make people angry ? The assumption here is that war caused
people to be angry, but, wait, what caused the war in the first place?This is what the mainstream media/establishment has been trying so hard to obscure from public glare. After numerous incumbents/out and out favorites have lost their shirts in elections, they are still clinging onto some fanciful notion that this particular tide can be wished away. I wonder what the excuse will be when the EU breaks down and WWIII is a distinct probability.

An Elliottician (Socionomist) would reverse the statement to imply that angry people make war. In this case the proper cause (anger, mood) results in war (effect).

The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
wukan
#2518 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2017 11:19:46 AM
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Joined: 11/13/2015
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VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Beware of dead cat bounce in NSE rise

Quote:
January has been the worst month for investors since 2009, with the market dropping 370 points. To make it even weirder, all this happened despite the absence of any notable catastrophe in the economy or major change in the same.


BD link

We have always argued in these pages that movements in the stock market (and all financial markets) are not influenced by outside causes. The guy is wondering why the market has moved south without any cause.

Movements in the financial markets are endogenous i.e they arise out of social mood which is part and parcel of human nature. The waves of social mood are patterned according to The Wave Principle. That is why they have predictive value.

Those waiting on Safaricom fundamentals to predict where the share might go will be disappointed.

Social mood affects everything that you do.

A simple question can be asked. Does war make people angry ? The assumption here is that war caused
people to be angry, but, wait, what caused the war in the first place?

An Elliottician (Socionomist) would reverse the statement to imply that angry people make war. In this case the proper cause (anger, mood) results in war (effect).

Interesting. So what will cause the social mood to change from negative to positive?


The cause is usually not important rather catching the waves of social mood is what matters. The social mood moves in a defined pattern so look for the point of maximum despondency and profit from the return of euphoria. The change to a positive sentiment will come once the social mood waves are done.

So when does that happen? There's no point in telling me, in June 2018, that the "change" happened in Dec 2017. When do you see the point of maximum despondency?


I can't tell you 'when' because as Isaac Newton said it's easier to calculate the movement of stars than the madness of men. I had hinted earlier in another thread that around 2676 you will see maximum despondency. You will notice at around 2789 the sellers gave up giving us the current relief rally. I would expect the market will re-test those bottom levels soon.

The market calculates the madness of men, your work as the investor is to observe and take advantage of it.
mlennyma
#2519 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2017 1:27:53 PM
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The market is active, big volumes are trading meaning People are taking positions,theories are not law.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
wukan
#2520 Posted : Thursday, February 09, 2017 3:38:14 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
The market is active, big volumes are trading meaning People are taking positions,theories are not law.


I know you are expecting a 'V' shaped recovery like in 2009 and 2011. That era ended with Kibaki-the Keynesian economist.
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