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Treasury Bills and Bonds
Hobitke
#561 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:33:31 AM
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maka wrote:
Hobitke wrote:
maka wrote:
Hobitke wrote:
maka wrote:
Hobitke wrote:
maka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Auction Method : Multi-Price Bid Auction......... what does this mean?


In a multiple price auction, the successful bidders are required to pay for the allotted quantity at the respective price or yield at which they bid.If its within the cut off range...


This bond business is difficult to grasp!

If anyone can be as so kind as to explain how to arrive at the quoted yield? Is this the same as the coupon rate? ( newbie questions )


Two different things...quoted yield is the current market price of the bond at the secondary market...or if its at the auction its the price you put your bid at...Coupon rate is normally fixed never changes during the tenor of the bond thats what you will be getting every year usually semi annually...


@ Maka , thanks, by price do you mean total value I am bidding? e.g 1 million? Would that not be face value?


Yes but depending on your bid rate you can buy at premium,at par or a at a discount. ..so a paper that is 1 million...you might pay less for every 100 but coupon will still be calculated on your 1 million...and you will still get your 1 million at maturity.


@ Maka, thanks , So ..if at auction they state ''Price per Kshs 100 at Average Yield '' that means its at par therefore yield would be zero?



smile Nope...at market weighted average yield...you will get the bond at the average yield of accepted bids fellows went in at...which can still be at discount,par or premium depending on the auction outcome...you should try with this IFB you will get to learn...expecting a discount on it...


I just might in order to understand better, going with the next IFB @ 12.5% , to approximate payouts using the CBK calculator , what would the expected yield be?


snipermnoma
#562 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:19:18 PM
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Here is the link to the document on CBK website: https://www.centralbank....%20Bond%20Prospectus.pdf
Pesa Nane
#563 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:57:26 PM
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@maka have you noted that the corresponding pricings per yield are different on the IFB prospectus Vs CBK pricing calculator eg the prospectus price at 13% yield is 97.510 but 97.002 on the calculator.

d'oh!
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maka
#564 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:28:05 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
@maka have you noted that the corresponding pricings per yield are different on the IFB prospectus Vs CBK pricing calculator eg the prospectus price at 13% yield is 97.510 but 97.002 on the calculator.

d'oh!


Coz of the amortised nature of the bond.I will organise a calc for the bond shortly.
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Pesa Nane
#565 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 6:41:14 PM
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maka wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
@maka have you noted that the corresponding pricings per yield are different on the IFB prospectus Vs CBK pricing calculator eg the prospectus price at 13% yield is 97.510 but 97.002 on the calculator.

d'oh!


Coz of the amortised nature of the bond.I will organise a calc for the bond shortly.

Genius
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
maka
#566 Posted : Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:47:24 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
maka wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
@maka have you noted that the corresponding pricings per yield are different on the IFB prospectus Vs CBK pricing calculator eg the prospectus price at 13% yield is 97.510 but 97.002 on the calculator.

d'oh!


Coz of the amortised nature of the bond.I will organise a calc for the bond shortly.

Genius


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maka
#567 Posted : Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:26:30 AM
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Who loves numbers?
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Impunity
#568 Posted : Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:53:53 PM
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maka wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
maka wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
@maka have you noted that the corresponding pricings per yield are different on the IFB prospectus Vs CBK pricing calculator eg the prospectus price at 13% yield is 97.510 but 97.002 on the calculator.

d'oh!


Coz of the amortised nature of the bond.I will organise a calc for the bond shortly.

Genius




Why are Bonds register closed for payments?
Kwani ni kama share?

d'oh!
Portfolio: Sold
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Pesa Nane
#569 Posted : Friday, February 17, 2017 10:22:56 AM
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maka wrote:
Who loves numbers?

Now all wazuans 'speaking in code' smile

#Obieromania
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maka
#570 Posted : Friday, February 17, 2017 10:35:29 AM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
maka wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
@maka have you noted that the corresponding pricings per yield are different on the IFB prospectus Vs CBK pricing calculator eg the prospectus price at 13% yield is 97.510 but 97.002 on the calculator.

d'oh!


Coz of the amortised nature of the bond.I will organise a calc for the bond shortly.

Genius




Why are Bonds register closed for payments?
Kwani ni kama share?

d'oh!


The kind of payments they do is crazy...look at 20th...the 30 year and 3.7.15 are paying coupons.
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