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Thinking Outside The box (Overseas Investment Series)
young
#61 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:48:13 PM
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MY PREVIOUS POST FOR YOUR AWARENESS

FOCUS IS THE KEY FOR OFFSHORE INVESTMENT

Why Trade Offshore ?
The main reason is to spread your risk accross different economies and across different currencies.

When you decide and open an online account, decide on which sector to trade. It is viable to trade on industrials in US market, Mining/Resources stocks in Canada / Australian market,Gokd, Banking. Property and Oil & Gas in Hong Kong.

You may find your preferred stock crosslisted in another market this gives you opportunity to trade on your chosen stock in another market. For example BHP Bilton, a world leading mining stock with primary listing in Australian market is cross listed in South African, US and London market . It is your choice on which market to trade on. But you have to follow the stipulated regulation of the country the stock is listed to register for online trading.
You havee a very high chance to succeed if you trade on blue chips and sector leaders, as they are the pulse of the market and on the long term major indices tend to rise year in year out.

It is a wondeful experience to trade overtdseas especially outside Africa.
Have a look at a few big stockbrokers :=

US MARKET
www.tdameritrade.com

HONG KONG
www.kgieworld.com

AUSTRALIA/OCEANIA
www.comsec.com.au

SOUTH AFRICA
www.psgonline.co.za
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young
#62 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:55:15 PM
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All online accounts are nominee accounts.

Dividends are credited to your broking account.
With this you do not need a bank account to receive dividends.

Opening of an online account is a different from funding your account. In hong Kong you are given up to six months after your account is opened to fund your accounts.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#63 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:01:30 PM
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TRANSACTION COST

This is a cheering news, HNK has one of the lowest rates in the world.

It cost less than one percent of the volume to either buy or sale.
There are no discount brokers in Hong Kong. Discount brokers are the ones that have a fixed rate of transaction cost irrespective of the volume of transaction.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
spro
#64 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37:52 PM
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@young

thank you for your question and your work here. After China I personally would be interessted in the Botswana market. And after this Nigeria

Cheers

young
#65 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37:59 PM
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MY SIX YEARS EXPERIENCE IN HONG KONG MARKET.

Our greatest Glory is not in never falliong but rising evey time we fall

Quite unlike you reading this article, I had no guidance I just dived into the market with neither focus nor strategy.

1st Disaster 2005 - 2006
We opened a joint account first with Taifook and later with KGI in early 2005.
As true black Africans our first pick was penny stocks. We swooped on a large voulumes starting with the minimum HNK$10,000 and within four months we made 60% gain.
We used the gain buy some units of another penny stock. That was the begining of the disaster, the stock went virtually valueless.
We did not recover from there.

Second Attempt 2006 - 2008

We funded our accounts back with the minimum. Became wiser as we realised it is better to have a few units of something than a large units of nothing.

This time we positioned on China biggest bank by market cap ICBC (ode 1398) at HNK$3.95 it rose to 5.57 in 2008 but unfortunately the rise was erased by world economic melt down in late 2008.
It went as low as HNK 2.98 .
We waited and sold iot in Feb 2009 at 3.90.

Back To Business (3rd Attempt) 2009 to date.
I did lots of reading and research on oil and gold stocks and we took a bold decision that hencefortth in Hong kong market we will focus on Gold and Oil.
The good news is that since june 2009 we have grown our HNK portfolio by 60% by positioning at intervals to buy and sale gold and oil stocks based on research and on stocks that responds positively to Oil & Gold prices in the spot market. So far the accuracy is 99.999%


So for now till 2015/16 I am in Hong Kong market for Oil & Gold counter.
Investors lounge articles by Mzee KK is a good source of info on the most likely direction of oil and Gold prices, but you must also understand the violatility and the underlying reasons. as it is not always upwards rising or downward sloping.


The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#66 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50:37 PM
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MY LONG TERM STRATEGY ON OVERSEAS & AFRICAN MARKET.


I buy long term in African markrt because the market is not as violatile as advanced world if you position on blue chips or market leaders.

In advanced world, I do a calculative speculating not more than three threads in a year.

In Hong Kong I will continue to focus on Gold and Oil stocks that is highly captilized and positively skewed to the spot market prices.

Simply put, I am in Hong Kong marklet for Oil and Gold equities to build my nest egg. There is no gold counter in most African markets except IAMGOLD in Botswana market, and numerous ones in South Africa, Gold Resources limited of Ghana

OURS MAY NOT BE THE BEST STRATEGY BUT MY ADVISE IS DEVICE A STRATEGY IN TERMS OF WHICH STOCKS AND WHICH SECTOR BEFORE YOU VENTURE INTO OVERSEAS MARKET TO AVOID LOSSES.
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young
#67 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:06:14 PM
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COMPARISON OF TAIFOOK AND KGI STOCK BROKERS.

User Friendliness := I give it to KGI
Quality Of Research:- Give it to Taifook
Online Infrastructure :- KGI. In Taifook you cannot place order before 7.00 am HNK time.

Account Management :- KGI. It gives daily interest on idle funds using prevailing interest rate.

Size:- KGI, is a regional broker covers Taiwan, Thailand

Customer Service
:- Taifook
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young
#68 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:37:34 PM
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CONCEPT OF LOT SIZE, SPREAD

Asian markets are unique in the sense that

- Orders are valid for one day
- You cannot buy any quantity of stocks it depends on lot size
- You cannot queue buy or sale order at any price, it is limited by the spread

- Trading hours is from 9.00am to 4.00 pm hong kong time.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#69 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:46:04 PM
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GOLD AND OIL PRICES MID 2009 TO DATE


Mid 2009
Oil price was USD 35 per barrel
Gold Price was USD 800 per ounce

MAY 2010
Oil Price 75 USD Per barrel
Gold Price USD 1210 Per ounce


So any IDIOT (like me) who positions at the right Gold or Oil stock in Hong Kong markrt is expected to make gains in respective blue chip stocks.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Horton
#70 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:15:38 PM
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ah yes...i use TDAMERITRADE...they r great!! they have think or swim and the flat 10bucks a trade....cant ask for more!!
Much Know
#71 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:38:12 PM
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@mzee young, in my opinion,dealing in metals will burn you soon, and oil perhaps later, even dealing in their stocks as some analyst will drive you to think needs caution, you are better of with stocks that reflect true productive value (which oil often may) rather than stores of value (gold)that are escalating faster than currency which is the best measure of an economy. I wonder why one would consider an object that does not report growth/returns/profits/loss a long term value? If i were you i would leave that hyper speculative arena as fast as i can.
A New Kenya
young
#72 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 10:57:56 PM
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LOT SIZE IN HONGKONG / ASIAN MARKET

Lot size in Hong Kong market refers to the exact multiples of a stock you can buy.


Assume Stock X costs 8 Hnk$ and you have 10,000 HNK$ in your online account. Let us say the given lot size is 1000 units.

It means that you can only buy 1000 units of stock X costing you HNK$ 8,000 so you will still be left with 2000 HNK$ not utilized as the system will not accept orders that arw not multiples of 1,000 unit.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#73 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:09:37 PM
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IDEAL STOCK PORTFOLIO MIX

Finance (African market still the most secure)
Production /Manufactoring
Commodities precious / Heavy metals
Energy Oil and Gas)
Technology (Ideal in US Market)




The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Chaka
#74 Posted : Monday, May 10, 2010 3:13:23 PM
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@Mzee Young,
You seem to be having loads of cash to be able to invest in all these places!Does your investment cash come from your pay cheque only or also from other business interests,farming..etc?
young
#75 Posted : Monday, May 10, 2010 4:20:12 PM
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Mzee Chaka,

You made me laugh !!!!
I am a middle income earner earning only salary in a petroleum exploration company. I have been working here for the past 22 years so you should expect me me to be at reach at middle level management.

My source of funds is from salary / allowances
soft loans from coop
funds from my wife

Investmenta (stocks /real estate) actually for us is a family business which we intend to psss to the next generation.
If you have the right skills it is much easier to grow your funds in overseas market than in Africa.
In Canadian market between 2005 to date we have increased 1,200 CAD initial investment in Barrick gold Canada to 5,200 USD.
Somebody thst has far more than me can just invest all in Nigerian market, but we prefer to spread the risk to different areas / sectors.
We always start small and I believe in small beginings so my aim is not to scare anybody, I am very ordinary, mere workman. We started to wake up by year 2000.
Be aware my wife is a good investor and she specialises in US market. Some of the skills were got from her. We divide the work, She specialises in US, Canada, Ghana and Singapore while my take is in Asia, Oceania.
Lets I forgot in Australia market we started with USD 500 and the portfolio now is worth USD 2,500 rotating between BHP Bilton, Oceanic Gold and Newcrest.
So be aware with patientce, focus, consistency it is possible.

Thanks and regards

The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#76 Posted : Monday, May 10, 2010 4:28:06 PM
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THE CONCEPT OF SPREAD IN HONG KONG MARKET

Spread refers to the maximum bid / ask for the ruling or closing price of a particular counter.

Let us say counter PETROCHINA is 10.00 HNK$ and the spread is 0.50/0.50 HNK$, it means

You have to place order for buy OR sale in multiples of 0.50 HNK$. In general in Asian market the maximum is ten spreads.

Back to our illustration }=

At 10.00 HNK$ for PETROCINA,

10 Spreads = 10 X 0.50 = 5.00

So you can only place order for either 15 HNK$ maximum or 5 HNK$ minimum
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#77 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:01:52 AM
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Mzee Much Know,

Thanks for your concern about Gold and Oil stocks,
but be aware that it is risky to invest on a sector you do not know about. Luckily for me I have more than enough facts and I have been working in the petroleum exploration company for the past 22 years.


Gold will continue to be bullish till 2015/2016
Oil will be bullish until 2023.

Bullishness entail occasional fluctuations.

I have been trading on oil and Gold blue chip counters consistently for the past 4 years with proofs to tremendous growth in my portfolio so I not writing theories.
Like me I do not understand FX trading so I condemn it, you have the right to condemn what you don't understand. Be aware that IMF, world bank and advanced world store and sale gold periodically.
I do not buy gold directly but I buy into blue chip Gold producing counters, and they produce quarterly and other financial statements which is subject to analysis.
Energy is made of oil and gas, oil sands,
Commodities is made of :-
Precious metals (Gold, silver, platinum)
Heavy metals (Aluminium, Iron Ore, Zinc)
Agric (Wheat, Cocoa, Soghum, sugar, rice,
fertilizer)

So I have a full basket of options depending on the reigning commodity to invest on during my life time what is important is to understand what one is doing.

In neigbouring Tanzania, the gold resources managed by Barrick gold is so much that Barrick Gold INC Canada, had to float Barrick Africa in London Stack Exchange few weeks ago. Yet it was not floated in Tanzania bourse. That means we foreigners will be buying into Tanzania natural resources at the end who will be better off ?


World spot Gold price is around USD 1,200, be aware
that I position in some gold stocks in mid Feb when Gold price was us$1,050 because gold stock addicts know as a simple ABC that the peak of gold in 2009 was USD1,221, and conservatively for 2010 it must at least reach the 2009 peak. The price is now around 1,200. People like us will soon take profits and wait again for the downswing.

On a final note, the most important thing is my contribution on how to invest overseas, it is your choice on which sector or counter you want to invest in.Thanks and Regards
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#78 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:33:27 AM
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AASTOCKS THE KING OF HONG KONG STOCKS RESEARCH.

www.aastocks.com/EN


For those who will in future venture into hong kong or China market, you will find this site very useful.
Under News and research, you will get opinions from brokers who colloborate with aastocks. Better still to get the opinion of various brokers on a particular counter based on the current or previous research report, this info is very handy in this wonderful site.

For some advanced trading tools like futures, options and warrants you need so subscribe. Unfortunately I am not an expert in this area, I only deal with equities.

After pencilling down the sector you want to invest in , it is always better to get other brokers opinion on the stock in addition to your own personal research from the available facts.

It is better to learn from information than from experience.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#79 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:06:36 AM
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INVESTMENT COMPANION FOR CHINESE STOCKS.

It is a known fact that most Chinese companies are cross listed in Hong Kong exchange.

//chinainvestor.com


is a very useful site for daily market coverage of chinese companese globally.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#80 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:07:53 AM
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INVESTMENT COMPANION FOR CHINESE STOCKS.

It is a known fact that most Chinese companies are cross listed in Hong Kong exchange.

//thechinainvestor.com


is a very useful site for daily market coverage of chinese companese globally.
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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