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Standard Chartered Rights Issue...............
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#1 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:00:18 PM
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Anybody with the information about the Standard Chartered rights issue.There's been allot of rumours about it oflate. d'oh! d'oh!
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#2 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:10:04 PM
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scanty info in friday 7th may dailies(nation pg 36) giving notice of the 28th may agm and stating the agendas with rights issue as one of them.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:27:54 PM
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They plan to increase their issued shares to 300m.A 9.8% increase
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:14:42 PM
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Mmh why pay hefty dividends then ask the shareholder to contribute rights? Can't it just retain the earnings and capitalise as bonus?
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#5 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:16:09 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Mmh why pay hefty dividends then ask the shareholder to contribute rights? Can't it just retain the earnings and capitalise as bonus?



Same thing i was asking meself...
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#6 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:28:58 PM
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Rights 1 for every 10 held. In order to be allowed to lend out more/or take more deposits, capital must be paid in cash by shareholders, not just a transfer in the books (retained earnings to capital).
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#7 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:13:59 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Rights 1 for every 10 held. In order to be allowed to lend out more/or take more deposits, capital must be paid in cash by shareholders, not just a transfer in the books (retained earnings to capital).



hmm....interesting...I always sucked in valuing banks...since the uni days...d'oh!

Thanks GG
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:26:23 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Rights 1 for every 10 held. In order to be allowed to lend out more/or take more deposits, capital must be paid in cash by shareholders, not just a transfer in the books (retained earnings to capital).

BULLSHIT... Shareholders Funds not Share Capital is key... Any movement from Retained Earnings to Share Capital is perfectly acceptable...

StanChart is looking for NEW cash...
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:05:47 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Rights 1 for every 10 held. In order to be allowed to lend out more/or take more deposits, capital must be paid in cash by shareholders, not just a transfer in the books (retained earnings to capital).


Not true: CFC did just that when it converted from a NBFI to a bank. They gave a bonus of 21 shares for every 3 held [largest in the history of NSE]
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:39:32 AM
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Please read up on tier 1 capital as defined by Basel
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:07:10 AM
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Another one of our peculiar Kenyan habits. That is a bank pays a hefty dividend then goes back to the same shareholders to ask for more funds. Give with the left hand, take with the right hand...

KCB has just done this and so has StanChart.
Note that for a bank, capital (specifically tier 1 capital which is held to the finest form of a bank's capital) is defined as shareholder capital + retained earnings.
So if StanChart hadn't paid out Ksh1.4bn in div this would have been a reduced rights issue.
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mukiha
#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:35:10 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Another one of our peculiar Kenyan habits. That is a bank pays a hefty dividend then goes back to the same shareholders to ask for more funds. Give with the left hand, take with the right hand...

KCB has just done this and so has StanChart.
Note that for a bank, capital (specifically tier 1 capital which is held to the finest form of a bank's capital) is defined as shareholder capital + retained earnings.
So if StanChart hadn't paid out Ksh1.4bn in div this would have been a reduced rights issue.

Yeap! And SCBK has the habit of paying almost all profits as dividends, no? E.g., last year, EPS=16.8, DPS=12.

I had always wondered whether they have any growth plans... now I have my answer. Growth is desired, but there is no planning for it!
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mukiha
#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:42:48 AM
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And here is a 5-yr record:
2005 EPS=9.02; DPS=7.50

2006 EPS=9.69; DPS=8.50

2007 EPS=12.76; DPS=10.00

2008 EPS=11.95; DPS=10.00

2009 EPS=16.78; DPS=12.00

Now wonder their earning are growing at such a sluggish rate...
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:04:26 AM
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@waithaka, what I understand is that tier 1 capital can't be refunded to owners under any circumstances and is therefore used to measure risk. Retained earnings can be appropriated for dividends hence is not true tier 1. Local regulators (CBK) are allowed to vary how tier 1 can be raised and therein maybe lies the answer. @mukiha, when CFC converted, were the Basel rules in place?
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:15:21 AM
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GG-I'm not sure what Basel 1 rules (which have been in place since 19 twendia waru) you've been reading but retained earnings and s/holder capital are the only two forms of tier 1 capital.
In any case, before earnings become retained i.e at year end 2009 for StanChart, you can decide what portion will be paid to dividends and what portion will become part of your retained earnings i.e. capital.
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mukiha
#16 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:22:05 AM
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From investopedia:

What Does Tier 1 Capital Mean?

A term used to describe the capital adequacy of a bank. Tier I capital is core capital, this includes equity capital and disclosed reserves.

And from wikipedia'
Tier 1 capital is the core measure of a bank's financial strength from a regulator's point of view. It is composed of core capital,[1] which consists primarily of common stock and disclosed reserves (or retained earnings),[2] but may also include non-redeemable non-cumulative preferred stock.
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mukiha
#17 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:39:45 AM
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From the CBK Prudential Guidelines (2000):
“Core Capital” (Tier 1) - Is as defined in Section 2(1) of the Banking Act namely permanent shareholders equity (issued and fully paid-up ordinary shares and perpetual non-cumulative
preference shares), disclosed reserves such as share premium, retained earnings and 50% un-audited after tax profits less investments in subsidiaries conducting banking business, investment in equity instruments of other institutions, intangible assets (excluding computer software) and goodwill. (The current year to date 50% un-audited after tax profits will qualify as part of core capital, if and only if, the institution has made adequate provisions for loans and advances, proposed dividends and other appropriations have been deducted).

....and from the Banking Act of Kenya:

"core capital" means permanent shareholders' equity in the
form of issued and fully paid-up shares of common stock,
or in the case of foreign incorporated banks, of the assigned
capital, plus all disclosed reserves, less goodwill or any other
intangible assets;
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:07:38 AM
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@GG - mukiha has provided more than enuff info...
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:57:14 PM
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@vvs, please don't cane me. The banks are not raising cash for the lack of it, tis something to do with Basel which I don't know.
VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:10:38 AM
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@GG - Even if to meet Basel 1 or 2 requirements... then it is to strengthen the ratios but I think it is by 2013...

2013 is not far away!!!
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