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Stop the Noise in Residential Areas
AlphDoti
#91 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2017 7:47:25 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
There are many noise polluters in Nairobi, esp in residential areas.

Bars, screaming mosques, those funny Sunday churches where they beat drums like mad people.

Its very frustrating.

@kularaha, how would you describe diwali fireworks, corporate roadshow promotions etc?

Diwali fireworks seek special permission and are allocated venues and timings to do their thing.

Corporate road shows are on the road and usually during day times.

The above two are also not every day events - in fact they are few and far between happenings.

That said, if and when there are cases where they become a nuisance they ought to be appropriately curtailed too

Adhan (call for prayer) from the mosque is average 2-3mins long and is called out only five times a day. It is also timing. In terms of noise, you cannot compare noise from diwali fireworks to adhan. Similarly, the noise from roadshows are way too loud.

I think bottom-line is: what is that noise from. We're just biased society.

I think that would have worked in the ancient time when people didnt have watches, phones, whatsapp etc but today one could set an alarm to remind them that it is prayer time. So blaring on a loud speaker at 5am is outdated and very inconveniencing for those of other faiths who need their sleep at that hour

I was at KU recently for my son's shugulis... and they have a bell. I chit-chat one of the students, he said it rings every hour... I asked him if he's ok with it, he said yes... that everyone is accustomed to it.

I'm keen to know why the university decided to adopt a bell every on the clock?


Even the Big Ben in London chimes every hour. However that can never be compared to the noise from those loud speakers at 5am. Infact even in Egypt, Muslims are complaining about the irritating noise.

C&P
"There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/...middle_east/4485521.stm

That's all I needed to know. It's clear your problem is not really about this call for prayer (adhan). The issue is whose call is it! If it is not your own (read if it is your faith), then it is bad and torture.

Your problem is hate. You hate the other faith. So your problem runs deeper. The issue of bringing adhan is just a front, in order to attack the other faith. Even if adhan is not there, you would still find another reason to attack. But if it is your own, anything they do, any noise they make, you'll find an excuse for it. Yes, it is hypocrisy in the heart. It is bias.
hardwood
#92 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:00:12 PM
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Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
There are many noise polluters in Nairobi, esp in residential areas.

Bars, screaming mosques, those funny Sunday churches where they beat drums like mad people.

Its very frustrating.

@kularaha, how would you describe diwali fireworks, corporate roadshow promotions etc?

Diwali fireworks seek special permission and are allocated venues and timings to do their thing.

Corporate road shows are on the road and usually during day times.

The above two are also not every day events - in fact they are few and far between happenings.

That said, if and when there are cases where they become a nuisance they ought to be appropriately curtailed too

Adhan (call for prayer) from the mosque is average 2-3mins long and is called out only five times a day. It is also timing. In terms of noise, you cannot compare noise from diwali fireworks to adhan. Similarly, the noise from roadshows are way too loud.

I think bottom-line is: what is that noise from. We're just biased society.

I think that would have worked in the ancient time when people didnt have watches, phones, whatsapp etc but today one could set an alarm to remind them that it is prayer time. So blaring on a loud speaker at 5am is outdated and very inconveniencing for those of other faiths who need their sleep at that hour

I was at KU recently for my son's shugulis... and they have a bell. I chit-chat one of the students, he said it rings every hour... I asked him if he's ok with it, he said yes... that everyone is accustomed to it.

I'm keen to know why the university decided to adopt a bell every on the clock?


Even the Big Ben in London chimes every hour. However that can never be compared to the noise from those loud speakers at 5am. Infact even in Egypt, Muslims are complaining about the irritating noise.

C&P
"There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/...middle_east/4485521.stm

That's all I needed to know. It's clear your problem is not really about this call for prayer (adhan). The issue is whose call is it! If it is not your own (read if it is your faith), then it is bad and torture.

Your problem is hate. You hate the other faith. So your problem runs deeper. The issue of bringing adhan is just a front, in order to attack the other faith. Even if adhan is not there, you would still find another reason to attack. But if it is your own, anything they do, any noise they make, you'll find an excuse for it. Yes, it is hypocrisy in the heart. It is bias.


How can you accuse me of hate when I have provided a link showing that even muslims themselves are complaining about the noise. Do you want to say that the muslims I quoted are also driven by hate against Islam? As that Muslim said "There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears."
AlphDoti
#93 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:13:23 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
There are many noise polluters in Nairobi, esp in residential areas.

Bars, screaming mosques, those funny Sunday churches where they beat drums like mad people.

Its very frustrating.

@kularaha, how would you describe diwali fireworks, corporate roadshow promotions etc?

Diwali fireworks seek special permission and are allocated venues and timings to do their thing.

Corporate road shows are on the road and usually during day times.

The above two are also not every day events - in fact they are few and far between happenings.

That said, if and when there are cases where they become a nuisance they ought to be appropriately curtailed too

Adhan (call for prayer) from the mosque is average 2-3mins long and is called out only five times a day. It is also timing. In terms of noise, you cannot compare noise from diwali fireworks to adhan. Similarly, the noise from roadshows are way too loud.

I think bottom-line is: what is that noise from. We're just biased society.

I think that would have worked in the ancient time when people didnt have watches, phones, whatsapp etc but today one could set an alarm to remind them that it is prayer time. So blaring on a loud speaker at 5am is outdated and very inconveniencing for those of other faiths who need their sleep at that hour

I was at KU recently for my son's shugulis... and they have a bell. I chit-chat one of the students, he said it rings every hour... I asked him if he's ok with it, he said yes... that everyone is accustomed to it.

I'm keen to know why the university decided to adopt a bell every on the clock?


Even the Big Ben in London chimes every hour. However that can never be compared to the noise from those loud speakers at 5am. Infact even in Egypt, Muslims are complaining about the irritating noise.

C&P
"There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/...middle_east/4485521.stm

That's all I needed to know. It's clear your problem is not really about this call for prayer (adhan). The issue is whose call is it! If it is not your own (read if it is your faith), then it is bad and torture.

Your problem is hate. You hate the other faith. So your problem runs deeper. The issue of bringing adhan is just a front, in order to attack the other faith. Even if adhan is not there, you would still find another reason to attack. But if it is your own, anything they do, any noise they make, you'll find an excuse for it. Yes, it is hypocrisy in the heart. It is bias.

How can you accuse me of hate when I have provided a link showing that even muslims themselves are complaining about the noise. Do you want to say that the muslims I quoted are also driven by hate against Islam? As that Muslim said "There were no loudspeakers at the time of the Prophet. Now, rather than being a joy, to listen to the call to prayer is a daily torture to the ears."

What did you expect from the link, hugs? No, they are from the same kind as you... If you want to know about Islam, do not ask Maina Kageni kind of people. Those are paid by senior professional critics.

The loudspeaker in the time of prophet was the voice which could reach every home in the small village...

urstill1
#94 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 12:23:54 AM
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Joined: 9/6/2013
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@Alphdoti, at least the ringing bells are more or less homogeneous/rhythmic. Hii adhan hapana. Some of your guys even blow through the mic before starting. Others breathe heavily. Woe unto you if you live close to a madrasa and the kids are the one giving the said call to prayer. There is this mosque that has also perfected the art of playing a specific CD criticizing the other predominant religion using scriptures. It is played up-to midnight, especially during Ramadhan. Did I say the mosque is about 2km from my residence? Christians are doing worse off. Kwanza yao huenda past midnight several nights a week. At times you may think they are competing on who's the loudest.
alma1
#95 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 5:28:14 AM
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Alphdoti pole sana but this one umenoa

Adhan is a call to prayer.

It does not mean using loudspeakers when people are sleeping. Ipso facto, you shall still be observing Islam if the call came through whatsapp. I know places where those loudspeakers are never allowed by law but Muslims still pray.

Stop defending the indefensible.

You sound just like those lunatic christian churches that like singing songs at midnight. Ati in the name of Jesus....Shangwe na vigelegeleeeeeee at 1 am.

Apana...

Noise is noise..Whether you believe your religion is more important than others or not.

Kelele does not have a different definition in any language, tribe or religion.

Use the technology available now. I'm sure that fella in the dessert would have killed just to have a mobile phone not shouting like he was forced to.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Lolest!
#96 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 6:25:52 AM
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smile jus passin by
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
KulaRaha
#97 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 7:33:27 AM
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There is a mosque near where I stay that allows kids to call. Its so irritating because if this adhan is so important, why are kids doing it?

Its very intrusive especially at 5 am.

Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Njung'e
#98 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 8:45:30 AM
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Joined: 2/7/2007
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Location: Nairobi
alma1 wrote:


It does not mean using loudspeakers when people are sleeping. Ipso facto, you shall still be observing Islam if the call came through whatsapp..


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


I have also never understood those business shops where they place large speakers outside and blast their stuff. Most of all, on the same street and you wonder who is listening to what. Why can't they do it in turns if it is a must?Sad


Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Anti_Burglar
#99 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 9:24:27 AM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
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Lolest! wrote:
smile jus passin by



lol.

Missing the good ol days, eh?

lol.
AlphDoti
#100 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 2:50:45 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
@alma, I've read your post. Truly, I've always seen you as more reasonable, unbiased person who says it as it is. But from the above, I think you didn't read my post or you didn't understand.

Nowhere have I said so and so "religion is more important..". All my posts is but response to hypocrisy... To the hypocrites who say if it is a Christian thing, then it is okay. Any noise from anyone who not Muslim is melodious... I was responding to them.

Go to any mall Music blares through all the speakers as you shop with all the praises to Jesus... How come non-Muslims are subjected to this? Because they consider it melodious? Go to Public Universities, bells are rang. It is melodious because it is not Islamic? Look at the churches, they ring bell too, they hold keshas all night in neighbourhood... are these melodious because it is not Islamic?

We have mentioned the diwali, somebody says because they are granted license... by who? Isn't the same law and constitution which you are trying use against others because it is Islamic?

@alma, I expected you to be non-prejudiced on this. This thread re-appeared due to the club issue, and I noticed that you have not commented anything on that. Not that you must comment, but is it because this is your area which is being touched, the alcohol etc?

What I am saying is, let us be fair and objective. We cannot be biased and push for oppression of those who you consider not your own. Otherwise, let everyone have their own... You go to bar and club, Muslim will not stop you... they go to church and have kesha, no muslim will bother you... the Jews can blow their horn, no Muslim will prevent them...

It is entrenched in Islam that "there no compulsion in religion" and guarantees right to everyone...
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