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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:Impunity wrote:Is 60% pass in Chemistry the same as 60% pass in Home Science?
Yaani is calculating the Avogadro's the same as ironing a shirt (or even boiling maize?) That's how kina Magoha did it. Hence the skew towards grade E The requirements say for an engineering course is not the same as for a catering course, why should we equalize the entry grades then, if a kid can not score, unless this kcse is just a popularity contest, whatever a kid scores should stick we are better knowing where we actually stand in terms of academic, than having a rossy picture of Nirvana, then start importing road engineering services from China. So we should get pupils who scored C+ doing Engineering and Medicine and those who scored A to be Social workers, coz we have As scored in humanity and Cs in Sciences? Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Impunity wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:Impunity wrote:Is 60% pass in Chemistry the same as 60% pass in Home Science?
Yaani is calculating the Avogadro's the same as ironing a shirt (or even boiling maize?) That's how kina Magoha did it. Hence the skew towards grade E The requirements say for an engineering course is not the same as for a catering course, why should we equalize the entry grades then, if a kid can not score, unless this kcse is just a popularity contest, whatever a kid scores should stick we are better knowing where we actually stand in terms of academic, than having a rossy picture of Nirvana, then start importing road engineering services from China. So we should get pupils who scored C+ doing Engineering and Medicine and those who scored A to be Social workers, coz we have As scored in humanity and Cs in Sciences? Either way the humanities students do not qualify for the science based courses, my personal keyboard opinion is, if we do not have intellectually qualified students to be doctors and engineers then wacha tuka bila, until that time when we get them, otherwise we end up having doctors who cant remove a bandage from a face, or engeneers who cant even handle the thought process of putting up a manyatta
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Impunity wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:Impunity wrote:Is 60% pass in Chemistry the same as 60% pass in Home Science?
Yaani is calculating the Avogadro's the same as ironing a shirt (or even boiling maize?) That's how kina Magoha did it. Hence the skew towards grade E The requirements say for an engineering course is not the same as for a catering course, why should we equalize the entry grades then, if a kid can not score, unless this kcse is just a popularity contest, whatever a kid scores should stick we are better knowing where we actually stand in terms of academic, than having a rossy picture of Nirvana, then start importing road engineering services from China. So we should get pupils who scored C+ doing Engineering and Medicine and those who scored A to be Social workers, coz we have As scored in humanity and Cs in Sciences? Either way the humanities students do not qualify for the science based courses, my personal keyboard opinion is, if we do not have intellectually qualified students to be doctors and engineers then wacha tuka bila, until that time when we get them, otherwise we end up having doctors who cant remove a bandage from a face, or engeneers who cant even handle the thought process of putting up a manyatta Your assumption is people fail only because they're not academically gifted What about how the exam was set? I wonder how the grades of wazuans would have been had this 'no moderation' method been effected back in their days
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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The exams are generally recycled from the previous years and there is no need to moderate just to get a normal curve. If last year the grade for A was 80 marks why should be change it to 50 marks this year just because the students have failed. Even in real life there is no moderation.A loaf of break that cost sh46 in december will not cost 40 bob just because it is Njaanuary and we are broke. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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PeterReborn wrote:The exams are generally recycled from the previous years and there is no need to moderate just to get a normal curve.
If last year the grade for A was 80 marks why should be change it to 50 marks this year just because the students have failed.
Even in real life there is no moderation.A loaf of break that cost sh46 in december will not cost 40 bob just because it is Njaanuary and we are broke. The reality is that education cannot be compared with mkate. That analogy is faulty We need to every year get new students to be teachers, doctors, plumbers, engineers, mechanics, waiters, pilots, drivers etc How will we get a balance if we fail 300,000 students? For bread prices (if we were to admit that analogy) they're moderated by the laws of supply and demand
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Lolest! wrote:PeterReborn wrote:The exams are generally recycled from the previous years and there is no need to moderate just to get a normal curve.
If last year the grade for A was 80 marks why should be change it to 50 marks this year just because the students have failed.
Even in real life there is no moderation.A loaf of break that cost sh46 in december will not cost 40 bob just because it is Njaanuary and we are broke. The reality is that education cannot be compared with mkate. That analogy is faulty We need to every year get new students to be teachers, doctors, plumbers, engineers, mechanics, waiters, pilots, drivers etc How will we get a balance if we fail 300,000 students? For bread prices (if we were to admit that analogy) they're moderated by the laws of supply and demand That's the problem we have, the fixing mentality, I mean to be a doctor there are set requirements, the same goes to other fields, would you hire a driver who cant negotiate a corner as your driver just because he was the best ? He will kill you, surely if our kids can not meet those basic international standards then we need to look for the problem and fix it, be it teachers, or resources, not upping their grades. I mean why don't lecturers at the university standardize grades, ukipata f you either repeat or go.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Lolest! wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Impunity wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:Impunity wrote:Is 60% pass in Chemistry the same as 60% pass in Home Science?
Yaani is calculating the Avogadro's the same as ironing a shirt (or even boiling maize?) That's how kina Magoha did it. Hence the skew towards grade E The requirements say for an engineering course is not the same as for a catering course, why should we equalize the entry grades then, if a kid can not score, unless this kcse is just a popularity contest, whatever a kid scores should stick we are better knowing where we actually stand in terms of academic, than having a rossy picture of Nirvana, then start importing road engineering services from China. So we should get pupils who scored C+ doing Engineering and Medicine and those who scored A to be Social workers, coz we have As scored in humanity and Cs in Sciences? Either way the humanities students do not qualify for the science based courses, my personal keyboard opinion is, if we do not have intellectually qualified students to be doctors and engineers then wacha tuka bila, until that time when we get them, otherwise we end up having doctors who cant remove a bandage from a face, or engeneers who cant even handle the thought process of putting up a manyatta Your assumption is people fail only because they're not academically gifted What about how the exam was set? I wonder how the grades of wazuans would have been had this 'no moderation' method been effected back in their days Exams are set from the curriculum, and the latter is designed with some parameters, unless you can show that the exam was set out of the same it's not honest to say that the way the exam was set caused students to fail. If the exam was set within the curriculum then we should look at what caused majority of the kids to fail not increase their grades otherwise we are just setting up a lazy educational system.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:PeterReborn wrote:The exams are generally recycled from the previous years and there is no need to moderate just to get a normal curve.
If last year the grade for A was 80 marks why should be change it to 50 marks this year just because the students have failed.
Even in real life there is no moderation.A loaf of break that cost sh46 in december will not cost 40 bob just because it is Njaanuary and we are broke. The reality is that education cannot be compared with mkate. That analogy is faulty We need to every year get new students to be teachers, doctors, plumbers, engineers, mechanics, waiters, pilots, drivers etc How will we get a balance if we fail 300,000 students? For bread prices (if we were to admit that analogy) they're moderated by the laws of supply and demand That's the problem we have, the fixing mentality, I mean to be a doctor there are set requirements, the same goes to other fields, would you hire a driver who cant negotiate a corner as your driver just because he was the best ? He will kill you, surely if our kids can not meet those basic international standards then we need to look for the problem and fix it, be it teachers, or resources, not upping their grades. I mean why don't lecturers at the university standardize grades, ukipata f you either repeat or go. The failure are withdrawal symptoms of the cheating addiction.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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Anti_Burglar wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:PeterReborn wrote:The exams are generally recycled from the previous years and there is no need to moderate just to get a normal curve.
If last year the grade for A was 80 marks why should be change it to 50 marks this year just because the students have failed.
Even in real life there is no moderation.A loaf of break that cost sh46 in december will not cost 40 bob just because it is Njaanuary and we are broke. The reality is that education cannot be compared with mkate. That analogy is faulty We need to every year get new students to be teachers, doctors, plumbers, engineers, mechanics, waiters, pilots, drivers etc How will we get a balance if we fail 300,000 students? For bread prices (if we were to admit that analogy) they're moderated by the laws of supply and demand That's the problem we have, the fixing mentality, I mean to be a doctor there are set requirements, the same goes to other fields, would you hire a driver who cant negotiate a corner as your driver just because he was the best ? He will kill you, surely if our kids can not meet those basic international standards then we need to look for the problem and fix it, be it teachers, or resources, not upping their grades. I mean why don't lecturers at the university standardize grades, ukipata f you either repeat or go. The failure are withdrawal symptoms of the cheating addiction. Exactly.The standards of educating has been deteriorating over the years and people are afraid of the naked truth.The reading culture and dying and laziness has taken over.Let us deal with the root cause of these issues and not sugar coat failure. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/17/2009 Posts: 1,627
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Lolest! wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Impunity wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:Impunity wrote:Is 60% pass in Chemistry the same as 60% pass in Home Science?
Yaani is calculating the Avogadro's the same as ironing a shirt (or even boiling maize?) That's how kina Magoha did it. Hence the skew towards grade E The requirements say for an engineering course is not the same as for a catering course, why should we equalize the entry grades then, if a kid can not score, unless this kcse is just a popularity contest, whatever a kid scores should stick we are better knowing where we actually stand in terms of academic, than having a rossy picture of Nirvana, then start importing road engineering services from China. So we should get pupils who scored C+ doing Engineering and Medicine and those who scored A to be Social workers, coz we have As scored in humanity and Cs in Sciences? Either way the humanities students do not qualify for the science based courses, my personal keyboard opinion is, if we do not have intellectually qualified students to be doctors and engineers then wacha tuka bila, until that time when we get them, otherwise we end up having doctors who cant remove a bandage from a face, or engeneers who cant even handle the thought process of putting up a manyatta Your assumption is people fail only because they're not academically gifted What about how the exam was set? I wonder how the grades of wazuans would have been had this 'no moderation' method been effected back in their days If only we could get somebody to post the results for the first two KCSE's...the whole country produced only single A's in both exams, compare with the 141 people are complaining about last year...and the second exam had 53 candidates achieve the A- grade for the whole country and 350 B+ grade...i do not remember this moderation noise then. A- in English was by 5 students ,i do not remember a plain A,Kiswahili saw more achieve A plain grade.While physics,chemistry and Mathematics had a number of As,Biology was another monster.In the end a fair number of student's qualified for all the professional courses when it came to the respective subject clusters and the bar even then was high,Medicine got 160,pharmacy 30 and Dental surgery 15 which was about the capacity then. Matiangi and Magoha have just restored normalcy.
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