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Joe Kadenge
harrydre
#11 Posted : Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:34:38 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
I hope the likes of Oliech and Wanyama are planning for their retirements. Am not trying to be salty but Joe Kadenge was very well paid in his days. Financial literacy is very important


Hii ni system ya kujipanga. Don't drive big cars in your hey days then later ukuje kutusumbua na guilt trips telling us mambo ya national hero. Make hay while the sun shines.


Exactly. And we're not hating.


Agreed!
i.am.back!!!!
Alba
#12 Posted : Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:35:14 PM
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Joined: 12/27/2012
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murchr wrote:
I hope the likes of Oliech and Wanyama are planning for their retirements. Am not trying to be salty but Joe Kadenge was very well paid in his days. Financial literacy is very important


Eh?
Kadenge was paid well in his days?
Where did you get that info?

Swali tu.

murchr
#13 Posted : Sunday, January 08, 2017 7:03:24 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:
I hope the likes of Oliech and Wanyama are planning for their retirements. Am not trying to be salty but Joe Kadenge was very well paid in his days. Financial literacy is very important


Eh?
Kadenge was paid well in his days?
Where did you get that info?

Swali tu.



Am older than you are blogger. Kadenge's compensation was far better than the average civil servant who is now retiring well. He used to drive very "big" cars back in the day, including the famous simba (Peugeot 504) which the average dude could not afford.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kaka2za
#14 Posted : Sunday, January 08, 2017 8:01:08 PM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 4,058
Location: Gwitu
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:
I hope the likes of Oliech and Wanyama are planning for their retirements. Am not trying to be salty but Joe Kadenge was very well paid in his days. Financial literacy is very important


Eh?
Kadenge was paid well in his days?
Where did you get that info?

Swali tu.



Am older than you are blogger. Kadenge's compensation was far better than the average civil servant who is now retiring well. He used to drive very "big" cars back in the day, including the famous simba (Peugeot 504) which the average dude could not afford.


The same Peugeot he used as a taxi in Hurlingham?
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
thuks
#15 Posted : Sunday, January 08, 2017 8:45:25 PM
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Joined: 10/8/2008
Posts: 1,575
tycho wrote:
Has he seen the president yet? Or is it easier for some people to see their maker than their president?

But it's sad for one to seek such an appointment just before dying.

I hear kitambo one needed to see the shaman or priest, and then you distribute your estate even if it entails only words of wisdom.

It's a more dignified way of dying I think. But statehouse? Oh. What shame!

Please let's remember our hero and pray for him to turn from worldly ways.


Granted!
Seems this one is accessible, or is it 2017?
I care!
Alba
#16 Posted : Sunday, January 08, 2017 10:38:05 PM
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Location: Bandalungwa
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:
I hope the likes of Oliech and Wanyama are planning for their retirements. Am not trying to be salty but Joe Kadenge was very well paid in his days. Financial literacy is very important


Eh?
Kadenge was paid well in his days?
Where did you get that info?

Swali tu.



Am older than you are blogger. Kadenge's compensation was far better than the average civil servant who is now retiring well. He used to drive very "big" cars back in the day, including the famous simba (Peugeot 504) which the average dude could not afford.



Footballers in the 1960s were hardly paid anything. Sometimes they were given cash awards and sometimes even cars. But getting a cash award even a hefty cash award is not the same getting reliable salary every month as a civil servant.

In some cases footballers drove around in big cars because an official or a politician gave it to them. But a big car is a liability for a person without a steady income or with a low income. For example, the famous teacher from Siaya (Wasonga was his name), who composed "Tawala Kenya", was given a brand new Mercedez Benz by president Moi. But the Mercedez was expensive to maintain. Yet he could not sell it because it was a gift from Moi. The car probably made him broke.

Even today, there are only 2 or 3 teams in Kenya that pay footballers a decent amount and pay on time. If you play for a team like Sofapaka , you might go 3 months without salary. Even Mathare United has a hefty sponsorship from Britam but only pays footballers a pittance. Many of these footballers still live in Kaloleni or wherever they grew up. All the sponsorship money is going into Munro's pocket.

And the cash awards given to footballers in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s were paltry. For example, when Gor Mahia won Africa cup in 1987, they were each given Ksh 1000 each.

The cash awards from the 1960s when Kadenge played were even lower.

In fact in that era even the track athletes never made a lot of money. Most of the world beating runners from that era like Asati, Jipcho, Temu etc were given cash awards by President kenyatta but it was not much. These runners today do not have much to show for all the glory they gave Kenya. Some were lucky to be given land or a house. Most were not.

Another issue that happened is that kenyatta and Moi would direct that the players be rewarded with certain cash amounts. The ministry officials would take almost half the money or more.

It was so bad that mahmoud Abbas once told Moi that if he was going to give cash awards, he should do so himself instead of asking a ministry official to disburse the money.

Long story short, Kadenge never made a lot of money in his playing days. In fact civil servants are much better off because often they can get bribes or siphon public money into their bank accounts. And even honest civil servants are better off because they had a steady income for their whole life and often a pension upon retirement or golden handshake. Plus many retire with some health benefits. This is Kadenge's problem. He has no health benefits.
murchr
#17 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 12:12:13 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:
Alba wrote:
murchr wrote:
I hope the likes of Oliech and Wanyama are planning for their retirements. Am not trying to be salty but Joe Kadenge was very well paid in his days. Financial literacy is very important


Eh?
Kadenge was paid well in his days?
Where did you get that info?

Swali tu.



Am older than you are blogger. Kadenge's compensation was far better than the average civil servant who is now retiring well. He used to drive very "big" cars back in the day, including the famous simba (Peugeot 504) which the average dude could not afford.



Footballers in the 1960s were hardly paid anything. Sometimes they were given cash awards and sometimes even cars. But getting a cash award even a hefty cash award is not the same getting reliable salary every month as a civil servant.

In some cases footballers drove around in big cars because an official or a politician gave it to them. But a big car is a liability for a person without a steady income or with a low income. For example, the famous teacher from Siaya (Wasonga was his name), who composed "Tawala Kenya", was given a brand new Mercedez Benz by president Moi. But the Mercedez was expensive to maintain. Yet he could not sell it because it was a gift from Moi. The car probably made him broke.

Even today, there are only 2 or 3 teams in Kenya that pay footballers a decent amount and pay on time. If you play for a team like Sofapaka , you might go 3 months without salary. Even Mathare United has a hefty sponsorship from Britam but only pays footballers a pittance. Many of these footballers still live in Kaloleni or wherever they grew up. All the sponsorship money is going into Munro's pocket.

And the cash awards given to footballers in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s were paltry. For example, when Gor Mahia won Africa cup in 1987, they were each given Ksh 1000 each.

The cash awards from the 1960s when Kadenge played were even lower.

In fact in that era even the track athletes never made a lot of money. Most of the world beating runners from that era like Asati, Jipcho, Temu etc were given cash awards by President kenyatta but it was not much. These runners today do not have much to show for all the glory they gave Kenya. Some were lucky to be given land or a house. Most were not.

Another issue that happened is that kenyatta and Moi would direct that the players be rewarded with certain cash amounts. The ministry officials would take almost half the money or more.

It was so bad that mahmoud Abbas once told Moi that if he was going to give cash awards, he should do so himself instead of asking a ministry official to disburse the money.

Long story short, Kadenge never made a lot of money in his playing days. In fact civil servants are much better off because often they can get bribes or siphon public money into their bank accounts. And even honest civil servants are better off because they had a steady income for their whole life and often a pension upon retirement or golden handshake. Plus many retire with some health benefits. This is Kadenge's problem. He has no health benefits.


Joe Kadenge was no ordinary footballer. He was well compensated am speaking from knowledge not just hearsay. From product endorsements to hefty sums by baba moi, dont forget he was in those football bodies till 2002. The average civil servant would tell you they havent come into contact with the sums he received. Even for one to live in Mariakani those days, you had to be well moneyed. Anyway, as earlier mentioned, I hope Wanyama and Oliech dont follow this route 20yrs down the line .
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Buster
#18 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 12:19:01 AM
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He he he Ati Kadenge was paid well. He is a family friend. My Dad played with him in both Abaluhya fc and Harambee stars. I can tell you for a fact the guys were paid next to zero! That Peugeot was acquired looong after he retired and was his only means of income.
kaka2za
#19 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 12:51:01 AM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 4,058
Location: Gwitu
Still no videos of his glory days?!
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
murchr
#20 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 12:57:00 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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Buster wrote:
He he he Ati Kadenge was paid well. He is a family friend. My Dad played with him in both Abaluhya fc and Harambee stars. I can tell you for a fact the guys were paid next to zero! That Peugeot was acquired looong after he retired and was his only means of income.


Did your dad tell you Joe was a civil servant Naks in the 50s and 60s and later Kakamega? Did you live in Mariakani SB. Kadenge was not just a footballer. Like many footballers then and I guess even now, football was his part time. He worked for Coke, UBF, 680 Hotel....
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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