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Truth About The "Most Intelligent" People.
Much Know
#1 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:49:41 PM
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Decided to google this "most intelligent" claim for better 'facts":-
The Most intelligent people ever known in history, at least by some 'western' IQ analysis have all been "Highly Spiritual".

Leornardo da Vinci, Isaac Newton,Charles Dicken, Raphael

Where does this claim that Atheist are "more intelligent" come from? I remember some shenzi type very njinga analysis by some kenyan atheist in the newspaper, but that was the most stupid data analysis i have seen in ages. Indeed it seems atheist are the most stupid and lethal people in history, i.e Karl Max, Pol pot, Stalin, Lenin e.t.c, claiming to be intelligent but actually antisocial, stupid, arrogant e.t.c.

When i google most intelligent, what i got was "most influential", according to a meta analysis by wikipedia it was Njeso, No.1 most influential individual ever! That means his "Theories" are the most influential, hence most useful, Mjinga hapa ni nani?
Meru Holiness
hamburglar
#2 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:36:06 PM
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Much Know wrote:
Decided to google this "most intelligent" claim for better 'facts":-
The Most intelligent people ever known in history, at least by some 'western' IQ analysis have all been "Highly Spiritual".

Leornardo da Vinci, Isaac Newton,Charles Dicken, Raphael

Where does this claim that Atheist are "more intelligent" come from? I remember some shenzi type very njinga analysis by some kenyan atheist in the newspaper, but that was the most stupid data analysis i have seen in ages. Indeed it seems atheist are the most stupid and lethal people in history, i.e Karl Max, Pol pot, Stalin, Lenin e.t.c, claiming to be intelligent but actually antisocial, stupid, arrogant e.t.c.

When i google most intelligent, what i got was "most influential", according to a meta analysis by wikipedia it was Njeso, No.1 most influential individual ever! That means his "Theories" are the most influential, hence most useful, Mjinga hapa ni nani?


Hehehe. I swear Atheists will give you guys high blood pressure.
masukuma
#3 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 5:54:21 PM
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Much Know wrote:
Decided to google this "most intelligent" claim for better 'facts":-
The Most intelligent people ever known in history, at least by some 'western' IQ analysis have all been "Highly Spiritual".

Leornardo da Vinci, Isaac Newton,Charles Dicken, Raphael

Where does this claim that Atheist are "more intelligent" come from? I remember some shenzi type very njinga analysis by some kenyan atheist in the newspaper, but that was the most stupid data analysis i have seen in ages. Indeed it seems atheist are the most stupid and lethal people in history, i.e Karl Max, Pol pot, Stalin, Lenin e.t.c, claiming to be intelligent but actually antisocial, stupid, arrogant e.t.c.

When i google most intelligent, what i got was "most influential", according to a meta analysis by wikipedia it was Njeso, No.1 most influential individual ever! That means his "Theories" are the most influential, hence most useful, Mjinga hapa ni nani?


perhaps you are looking at it differently. ask yourself this question - what would they have accepted easily. Darwinism or Creationism? Assume Darwinism came earlier - would these people be what they were? I really respect those guys and I was like you - looking at them as being brilliant men and spiritual and thus drawing a correlation or causality. I struggle to find a brilliant scientist after after Darwinism who was 'spiritual' and for the longest time believed Max Planc was that for me until I discovered he did not believe in a 'personal' God. These men were products of their times - Newton even cooked up an additional color in the rainbow to make the number 7. it's similar to claiming Rudisha is a brilliant runner since he eats meat and drinks blood (his environment)...could it have an effect... perhaps. I think at that point the striving to discover was seen as a spiritual pursuit. To know the oracles of God. At what point do you draw a line? What if you know and what you know conflicts with what you are taught? you cannot unknow! The larger question is - what do you believe in? which one holds more water for you this new Knowledge with overwhelming evidence or the Revelation you had previously?
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masukuma
#4 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:41:57 PM
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I have read of brilliant men like Arthur Eddington, the guy who conducted the relativity tests that proved the theory of relativity huko Sao Tome and Principe. Technically the english guy who helped Einstein prove that Newtonian physics did not have it all covered by pushing against the royal society of scientists. He struggled to correlate the two things - what he believed as a quaker and what he knew in science and mathematics.
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Much Know
#5 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 7:11:30 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Darwinism or Creationism? Assume Darwinism came earlier - would these people be what they were? I really respect those guys and I was like you - looking at them as being brilliant men and spiritual and thus drawing a correlation or causality. I struggle to find a brilliant scientist after after Darwinism who was 'spiritual' and for the longest time believed Max Planc was that for me until I discovered he did not believe in a 'personal' God.

Perhaps one thing you should realize is Darwin was CATEGORICAL he was not an Atheist and said so many times and wrote so to many people to avoid this kind of confusion, evolution and science is one things atheist really seem not to understand, leave alone the philosophy of a non-personal God, we are not dealing with Agnotism whatever and other refined definations but ATHEIST, others are irrelevant. Darwin was not an Atheist and evolution is not a branch of Atheism, neither is Evolution a fact, we have several competing Theories including existence being a simulation, multi-berses, Aliens making us e.t.c. Let me guarantee you Atheist are pretty stupid guys and that is why the US can never vote and Atheist President, yes there is a correlation between spirituality and intelligence after my brief research?
Meru Holiness
AlphDoti
#6 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 7:56:14 PM
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Much Know wrote:
...When i google most intelligent, what i got was "most influential", according to a meta analysis by wikipedia it was Njeso, No.1 most influential individual ever! That means his "Theories" are the most influential, hence most useful, Mjinga hapa ni nani[/url]?

Are you sure you read the search result from GOOGLE correctly? Check out the 100 most influential people in the world according to Biography Online
Much Know
#7 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:04:07 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Much Know wrote:
...When i google most intelligent, what i got was "most influential", according to a meta analysis by wikipedia it was Njeso, No.1 most influential individual ever! That means his "Theories" are the most influential, hence most useful, Mjinga hapa ni nani[/url]?

Are you sure you read the search result from GOOGLE correctly? Check out the 100 most influential people in the world according to Biography Online

CORRECTION: Google result for "most intelligent" is 'most significant', Jesus is the Most Significant EVER (as in Most Important), not influential, influence can be bad, thanks for correction, link pasted.
Meru Holiness
2012
#8 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:10:35 PM
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In my humble opinion, I don't think you can base intelligence on faith, maybe wisdom. I think this because we know the devil is also very intelligent and that's his greatest weapon.

BBI will solve it
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AlphDoti
#9 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:13:22 PM
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2012 wrote:
In my humble opinion, I don't think you can base intelligence on faith, maybe wisdom. I think this because we know the devil is also very intelligent and that's his greatest weapon.

You have a point @2012... Devil is so intelligent yet fails flat on matters of faith... What you can add is that, physical Intelligence alone i.e. brain is not enough. You still need spiritual the intelligence i.e. heart. Otherwise, you can claim to be intelligent but still arrogant and proud...
AlphDoti
#10 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:14:56 PM
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Much Know wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Much Know wrote:
...When i google most intelligent, what i got was "most influential", according to a meta analysis by wikipedia it was Njeso, No.1 most influential individual ever! That means his "Theories" are the most influential, hence most useful, Mjinga hapa ni nani[/url]?

Are you sure you read the search result from GOOGLE correctly? Check out the 100 most influential people in the world according to Biography Online

CORRECTION: Google result for "most intelligent" is 'most significant', Jesus is the Most Significant EVER (as in Most Important), not influential, influence can be bad, thanks for correction, link pasted.

No wonder @burglar thrashes you. Now you describe one as bad when the result does not appeal to you?
Much Know
#11 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:17:23 PM
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2012 wrote:
In my humble opinion, I don't think you can base intelligence on faith, maybe wisdom. I think this because we know the devil is also very intelligent and that's his greatest weapon.

I completely agree, but saitan is NOT 'more intelligent' than Njeso, and my others, what's more, i am on record here rejecting this notion of 'More Intelligent", more educated, more focused, "happier", use of potential, performance, e.t.c is my language, more intelligent how?, wisdom yes! For the sake of peace, i need to rubbish this "more intelligent' garbage!
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masukuma
#12 Posted : Saturday, December 17, 2016 10:23:11 PM
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Much Know wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Darwinism or Creationism? Assume Darwinism came earlier - would these people be what they were? I really respect those guys and I was like you - looking at them as being brilliant men and spiritual and thus drawing a correlation or causality. I struggle to find a brilliant scientist after after Darwinism who was 'spiritual' and for the longest time believed Max Planc was that for me until I discovered he did not believe in a 'personal' God.

Perhaps one thing you should realize is Darwin was CATEGORICAL he was not an Atheist and said so many times and wrote so to many people to avoid this kind of confusion, evolution and science is one things atheist really seem not to understand, leave alone the philosophy of a non-personal God, we are not dealing with Agnotism whatever and other refined definations but ATHEIST, others are irrelevant. Darwin was not an Atheist and evolution is not a branch of Atheism, neither is Evolution a fact, we have several competing Theories including existence being a simulation, multi-berses, Aliens making us e.t.c. Let me guarantee you Atheist are pretty stupid guys and that is why the US can never vote and Atheist President, yes there is a correlation between spirituality and intelligence after my brief research?

yes... they are not synonymous... but it does question veracity of scripture right? think about it... who fought darwinism most? On the US... the politics there reminds me of a joke i once heard
Quote:
So a preacher worried one day on how his 17 year old son would turn out when he became an adult,
so as a test he put in the bottom of his closet;
a bible
a bottle of whiskey
a playboy
and a silver coin.

and soon his son came in and opened his closet and saw all four objects.
after a second he put the coin in his pocket, took a slug of the whiskey, and took the bible and the playboy.
then he leaves.

his father comes out from behind the door and face palms:

"Oh Dear lord in heaven help me, my son is going to grow up to be a congressman."
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Anti_Burglar
#13 Posted : Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:22:18 AM
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Much Know wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Darwinism or Creationism? Assume Darwinism came earlier - would these people be what they were? I really respect those guys and I was like you - looking at them as being brilliant men and spiritual and thus drawing a correlation or causality. I struggle to find a brilliant scientist after after Darwinism who was 'spiritual' and for the longest time believed Max Planc was that for me until I discovered he did not believe in a 'personal' God.

Perhaps one thing you should realize is Darwin was CATEGORICAL he was not an Atheist and said so many times and wrote so to many people to avoid this kind of confusion, evolution and science is one things atheist really seem not to understand, leave alone the philosophy of a non-personal God, we are not dealing with Agnotism whatever and other refined definations but ATHEIST, others are irrelevant. Darwin was not an Atheist and evolution is not a branch of Atheism, neither is Evolution a fact, we have several competing Theories including existence being a simulation, multi-berses, Aliens making us e.t.c. Let me guarantee you Atheist are pretty stupid guys and that is why the US can never vote and Atheist President, yes there is a correlation between spirituality and intelligence after my brief research?


Having introduced the political, I cannot but appreciate your endorsement of our victory over that godless woman.
masukuma
#14 Posted : Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:43:15 AM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:

Having introduced the political, I cannot but appreciate your endorsement of our victory over that godless woman.

of course you and I know that Trump and Hillary are very much the same when it comes to spiritual matters.
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tycho
#15 Posted : Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:10:24 AM
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Darwin is obsolete, but even those who claim intelligence don't know it.

Just shows how difficult intelligence is.
Swenani
#16 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2016 4:08:56 AM
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tycho wrote:
Darwin is obsolete, but even those who claim intelligence don't know it.

Just shows how difficult intelligence is.


I agree with you, even the most stupid person can be argued to be the most intelligent person..Stupidity requires intelligence
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#17 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2016 9:56:11 AM
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Marilyn Monroe's IQ(168) was higher than Einstein's (160). Go figure.


Swenani
#18 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2016 10:47:12 AM
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Buster wrote:
Marilyn Monroe's IQ(168) was higher than Einstein's (160). Go figure.





IQ level is not a measure of intelligence.Go figure!
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#19 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2016 11:28:57 AM
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Much Know wrote:
Decided to google this "most intelligent" claim for better 'facts":-
The Most intelligent people ever known in history, at least by some 'western' IQ analysis have all been "Highly Spiritual".

Leornardo da Vinci, Isaac Newton,Charles Dicken, Raphael

Where does this claim that Atheist are "more intelligent" come from? I remember some shenzi type very njinga analysis by some kenyan atheist in the newspaper, but that was the most stupid data analysis i have seen in ages. Indeed it seems atheist are the most stupid and lethal people in history, i.e Karl Max, Pol pot, Stalin, Lenin e.t.c, claiming to be intelligent but actually antisocial, stupid, arrogant e.t.c.

When i google most intelligent, what i got was "most influential", according to a meta analysis by wikipedia it was Njeso, No.1 most influential individual ever! That means his "Theories" are the most influential, hence most useful, Mjinga hapa ni nani?


Why would one consider Charles Dickens intelligent?

Your list as usual is oriented to the culture we adopt.

Whenever I think of intelligent, I think of the
a) Egyptians who built Pyramids long before most of written history
b) Them Chinese who built that wall thats visible from space
c) Also try and read the Hindu Gita or watch the epic Mahabharata). Its really eye opening, those people were brilliant in their interpretation of life, good v evil spirituality etc
Off course Leonardo Da Vinci was intelligent
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#20 Posted : Monday, December 19, 2016 11:39:22 AM
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Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Darwin is obsolete, but even those who claim intelligence don't know it.

Just shows how difficult intelligence is.


I agree with you, even the most stupid person can be argued to be the most intelligent person..Stupidity requires intelligence


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