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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:masukuma wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:masukuma wrote:the thing about kila kitu in kenya is that tuko na experts wengi on all matters. i think it's easy to be a critic! very easy! kuwa doer ni noma. Kila mtu ni expert wa kazi ya watu wengine and kwanza they are not even the best in their jobs. I stopped listening to people talk about 'what happened'. there was a certain security expert who was always giving advice to the police... akapatiwa job huko akanyamaza! I don't think its bad to have opinions and to be an expert, even huko world of scientists they have theoretical scientists and practical ones, and in most cases you can not switch them, but its from the theories that the practical guys get their directions, so I think the experts play a vital role. if you assemble a group of architects and engineers and have them do battle against the fundis and the watu wa mkono in say laying a slab or putting up a masonry wall the latter will most likely do a better job. ni domo domo mob!! anyway - wakuongea wacha waongee... but they are not even great at what they do kwao. maAcademics!! Textbook knowledge... but the truth is wrapped up using this quote! Quote:It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Kuongea ni free... somethings are easy to articulate but not do and only the man who has been in the field can know this. Criticism is good and helps improve results. I don't need to know how something is done to criticize, I can critique by observing how someone is doing something to point out their shortcomings I agree that criticism is productive when applied with tact! however, it becomes easy for people to listen to critics who are outsiders more and take them as authorities on the subject matter and not understand the setup the 'man in the arena' is working in. let's face it - criticism is easy!! very very easy! you just need to have a modicum of intelligence to criticise. Plus the biggest issue i have with critics is that they are not 'that good' at what they do in the 1st place.... kazi ya wengine ni rahisi! Remember when Asbel lost the race - all manner of couch potatoes with one packs were 'advising him'... how he should have done it! just because you know 'HOW TO DO IT' does not mean that 'YOU CAN DO IT' even when the task is a simple as running (placing one leg before the other at high speed). Understanding how to do something is like 5% of the total task and that is where we lose the value of the 95%. Let us not forget that you also gave your expert opinion and critic without getting your facts right about the road and like the chorus was, blaming the bump Masukush #40 Posted : Monday, December 12, 2016 wrote:
there are better ways to handle this - rumble bumps to warn the drivers that a huge bump in coming. Flyovers - but they aint cheap! flyovers with blocked roads katikati. As seen you just change the type of casualties by just putting a huge bump in the middle of the road.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:The residents now say that they want MORE bumps. As the saying goes, it's only the wearer of the shoe that knows where it pinches. And the wearers of the shoes are saying that they want even more bumps. http://www.the-star.co.k...asha-residents_c1472724
motorists still 'wear' that shoe!! watengenezewa flyover and all those bumps zitolewe. We understand that you need to race your blue subarus on that road to enjoy the power of your machines lakini safety of the villagers comes first.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/30/2016 Posts: 332 Location: Rift Valley
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hardwood wrote:
We understand that you need to race your blue subarus on that road to enjoy the power of your machines lakini safety of the villagers comes first.
We are talking about a road network that serves not only Kenya but the rest of East Africa. It is the height of hypocrisy to ignore the safety of other road users. We are not trying to imitate rally drivers.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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chemirocha wrote:hardwood wrote:
We understand that you need to race your blue subarus on that road to enjoy the power of your machines lakini safety of the villagers comes first.
We are talking about a road network that serves not only Kenya but the rest of East Africa. It is the height of hypocrisy to ignore the safety of other road users. We are not trying to imitate rally drivers. There are hundreds of bumps on that 950km road from mombasa to malaba. Why focus on only one bump? Why not those at mtito andei, salama, mlolongo, salgaa, timboroa, cheptiret, jua kali, kipkarren etc etc?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:The residents now say that they want MORE bumps. As the saying goes, it's only the wearer of the shoe that knows where it pinches. And the wearers of the shoes are saying that they want even more bumps. http://www.the-star.co.k...asha-residents_c1472724
@hardwood, we understand and feel the residence plight. But bro, residence are not expert source of knowledge. We need to adopt forward thinking development. Even if the road users will feel some pain. It's just like motorists are required to drive a distance to access a u-turn or interchange on s high-way. The motorists do not just turn anywhere they want to save time and disrupt other road users. Similar to pedestrians. It is painful to wait for traffic lights... it's painful to walk to a pedestrian crossing... But it is the most efficient way to achieve the bigger goal
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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hardwood wrote:chemirocha wrote:hardwood wrote:
We understand that you need to race your blue subarus on that road to enjoy the power of your machines lakini safety of the villagers comes first.
We are talking about a road network that serves not only Kenya but the rest of East Africa. It is the height of hypocrisy to ignore the safety of other road users. We are not trying to imitate rally drivers. There are hundreds of bumps on that 950km road from mombasa to malaba. Why focus on only one bump? Why not those at mtito andei, salama, mlolongo, salgaa, timboroa, cheptiret, jua kali, kipkarren etc etc? I don't know why this bump issue is still alive, its clear that accident was caused by either a defective vehicle or a crazy driver, and compounded by some drivers who lack common courtesy on the road, actually I am with the resident who want more bumps put up on that stretch, how many minutes will a driver lose even after more bumps are erected 10/15 minutes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:chemirocha wrote:hardwood wrote:
We understand that you need to race your blue subarus on that road to enjoy the power of your machines lakini safety of the villagers comes first.
We are talking about a road network that serves not only Kenya but the rest of East Africa. It is the height of hypocrisy to ignore the safety of other road users. We are not trying to imitate rally drivers. There are hundreds of bumps on that 950km road from mombasa to malaba. Why focus on only one bump? Why not those at mtito andei, salama, mlolongo, salgaa, timboroa, cheptiret, jua kali, kipkarren etc etc? @hardwood, we have to start from somewhere. Two wrongs does not make it a right. If bumps are numerous in all those other areas, let us start small and work towards replacing them with fly-overs at busy points... along all these highways... Efficiency will be achieved.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:The residents now say that they want MORE bumps. As the saying goes, it's only the wearer of the shoe that knows where it pinches. And the wearers of the shoes are saying that they want even more bumps. http://www.the-star.co.k...asha-residents_c1472724
@hardwood, we understand and feel the residence plight. But bro, residence are not expert source of knowledge. We need to adopt forward thinking development. Even if the road users will feel some pain. It's just like motorists are required to drive a distance to access a u-turn or interchange on s high-way. The motorists do not just turn anywhere they want to save time and disrupt other road users. Similar to pedestrians. It is painful to wait for traffic lights... it's painful to walk to a pedestrian crossing... But it is the most efficient way to achieve the bigger goal the advantage of bumps especially on that stretch is that it allows a driver to focus and gives a pedestrian time to react, remember its not only pedestrians who are crossing that road who are hit, it also happens to guys on the sides when speeding cars lose control and roll out of the road
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:hardwood wrote:chemirocha wrote:hardwood wrote:
We understand that you need to race your blue subarus on that road to enjoy the power of your machines lakini safety of the villagers comes first.
We are talking about a road network that serves not only Kenya but the rest of East Africa. It is the height of hypocrisy to ignore the safety of other road users. We are not trying to imitate rally drivers. There are hundreds of bumps on that 950km road from mombasa to malaba. Why focus on only one bump? Why not those at mtito andei, salama, mlolongo, salgaa, timboroa, cheptiret, jua kali, kipkarren etc etc? I don't know why this bump issue is still alive, its clear that accident was caused by either a defective vehicle or a crazy driver, and compounded by some drivers who lack common courtesy on the road, actually I am with the resident who want more bumps put up on that stretch, how many minutes will a driver lose even after more bumps are erected 10/15 minutes. @sitaki_ujinga, the more the bumps, the less average speed for the journey...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:I think @hardwood is clouded by govt sycophancy. He cannot see anything outside that. I always argue my cases based on logic/facts/evidence while most you follow emotions and "what everybody else is saying". As @masukuma wiki always says, you cant argue against data/facts. After all the emotions cool down and people have ventilated, what remains are the facts.....and this applies to all cases - from the bumps to Trump. First, I think you know that nothing good is cheap. It's backward to always think cheap is sustainable. So govt needs to think longterm: foot bridges and tunnels at busy areas. Secondly, we need to change the mentality of our people. In order to do that, we should change ours then teach the rest. We cannot live by crossing the High ways any point you wish... We end up having to erect bumps all over the highway defeating the purpose of it being called a highway in the first place. You said, "Bumps are more effective since you can put several of them over a certain stretch unlike foot bridges where you can only put one." You see, since you cannot put bumps the whole stretch of the highway, similarly you can replace bumps in those areas with foot bridges. If a town has two points where speed bumps are important, then put a foot bridge there... Go back to the first point about cost. We need to abolish short cut mentality! This kind of mentality is what took our By Passes lying idle for 24 years. It took only Kibaki to make the hard decision.... What is the effectivity of erecting tunnels or foot bridges over a single carriageway where the separation of traffic is done by a single yellow line in the middle of the road? For this to work you will need to fence the road on both sides! Hatuna pesa kaa hiyo. The only practicable venture now is bumps. Portfolio: Sold
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