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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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harrydre wrote:radio wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:We are a stupid lot, yaani hata after that guys are still overlapping and blocking others hapo. Reckless driving at the same spot even after what happened just the other day.
Hata kama, ujinga ingine haieleweki, even if the president is angry I mean he can't get his cops to deal with this menace, hizi ni ujinga Sasa. I agree with you. We've brainless drivers on our road. I was in Naivasha yesterday and I noticed reckless driving at the accident spot. Maybe humans are built to self destruct and we've never known. I saw a handful forensic experts collecting evidence with adequate and appropriate gear, next to them a group of 'experts' kondoo Kenyans with zero protection analyzing the situation.  'experts' kondoo. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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hardwood wrote:harrydre wrote:hardwood wrote:Quote:Between 2000 and 2016, more than 200 pedestrians have died between Naivasha and Kinungi towns along the busy highway. The majority of those killed on that section of the road have been school children mainly from Kinungi trading centre crossing the road to and from school. Following numerous accidents, area residents held demonstrations and urged the Government to erect speed bumps on the highway. Their demands were met last year when the bumps were erected in Kinungu, Raini and Kayole centres, which saw the number of fatal accidents drop drastically. If it's a busy area with school kids and all, you weka a bridge not bumps!! Use your brain sometimes. Do you know that the only roads in Kenya with pedestrian foot bridges are thika rd, mombasa rd, university way and valley road? And that all the towns, trading centres and villages have bumps? And that between mombasa and malaba there are about 200 bumps. If bumps are working in the whole country, in hundreds of towns, trading centres and villages, and even on thika superhighway ensuring that man and beast can cross the roads safely why not at karai? For the first time in modern wazua history and on the eve of political elections, we find @harrydre and @hardwood on the opposing end...@baba surely 2017 is your year. The wave is all over Africa, see the Gambia, Ghana and mamny more.  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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hardwood wrote:2012 wrote:Yaani UK has laid the blame squarely on the bumps.. he he he... I use that rd when going ushago and this yr I have gone thrice meaning I have driven over those bumps 6 times and never noticed anything odd about the bumps since they are like all other bumps including those on thika rd.....ie bump sign, rumble strips then white marked bumps. What is the distance between the rumble strips and the real bump? How is the distance determined? The distances I see on Thika Road are dumb. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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the thing about kila kitu in kenya is that tuko na experts wengi on all matters. i think it's easy to be a critic! very easy! kuwa doer ni noma. Kila mtu ni expert wa kazi ya watu wengine and kwanza they are not even the best in their jobs. I stopped listening to people talk about 'what happened'. there was a certain security expert who was always giving advice to the police... akapatiwa job huko akanyamaza! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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Liv wrote:There should be some legal restrictions on transport of such highly inflammable materials.... We should not just be talking about where and how to put bumps only. This accident might just give an idea to al shabab or other like minded groups on how to create terror in future. I hope someone in the internal security in the government has taken up this seriously. The internal security ministry should as soon as possible give direction on how transport of all highly inflammable materials will be carried out. I am almost certain that somewhere in our books are rules / regulations / statutes / standards on handling HAZMAT. Just like there are specifications on bump and rubble strips. Our biggest problem is that no one cares about this. Look at how we cross the streets all over town instead of using designated places. The wild beasts of the Mara are much more disciplined.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:murchr wrote:harrydre wrote:radio wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:We are a stupid lot, yaani hata after that guys are still overlapping and blocking others hapo. Reckless driving at the same spot even after what happened just the other day.
Hata kama, ujinga ingine haieleweki, even if the president is angry I mean he can't get his cops to deal with this menace, hizi ni ujinga Sasa. I agree with you. We've brainless drivers on our road. I was in Naivasha yesterday and I noticed reckless driving at the accident spot. Maybe humans are built to self destruct and we've never known. I saw a handful forensic experts collecting evidence with adequate and appropriate gear, next to them a group of 'experts' kondoo Kenyans with zero protection analyzing the situation. These are the people that our local media will rely on to give the public an "informed" story. tycho wrote:Or the road and connection of roads leading to the spot- and other spots- induce a certain psychology that appears to be reckless.
We shouldn't dismiss such coincidences too lightly. Maybe urban morphology and other areas of study can shed light on this matter. As for Tycho, you've had my brains spinning real hard Very simple discussion and he decides to morphologically complicate it!  Discussions are usually the most complicated happenings. They're often about people and their interests and not issues. The simplest things are natural happenings like a bee flying. Complexity arises when we try to understand the simple. So maybe I'm not off the mark...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Iganamagana wrote:Liv wrote:There should be some legal restrictions on transport of such highly inflammable materials.... We should not just be talking about where and how to put bumps only. This accident might just give an idea to al shabab or other like minded groups on how to create terror in future. I hope someone in the internal security in the government has taken up this seriously. The internal security ministry should as soon as possible give direction on how transport of all highly inflammable materials will be carried out. I am almost certain that somewhere in our books are rules / regulations / statutes / standards on handling HAZMAT. Just like there are specifications on bump and rubble strips. Our biggest problem is that no one cares about this. Look at how we cross the streets all over town instead of using designated places. The wild beasts of the Mara are much more disciplined. I think discipline is instilled from an early age, mimi I see guys driving with their 2 year old kwa dashboard, and I ask myself what happens when one hits the brakes, and to make it worse they are overlapping, I wonder what they tell the kids when asked why the other cars are following a line. I think the typical kenyan driver is just sick, sick from owning a first car late in life and wanting to show all that they are better at pressing a pedal hardest, and think its macho to break rules.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:the thing about kila kitu in kenya is that tuko na experts wengi on all matters. i think it's easy to be a critic! very easy! kuwa doer ni noma. Kila mtu ni expert wa kazi ya watu wengine and kwanza they are not even the best in their jobs. I stopped listening to people talk about 'what happened'. there was a certain security expert who was always giving advice to the police... akapatiwa job huko akanyamaza! Mass man culture.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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masukuma wrote:the thing about kila kitu in kenya is that tuko na experts wengi on all matters. i think it's easy to be a critic! very easy! kuwa doer ni noma. Kila mtu ni expert wa kazi ya watu wengine and kwanza they are not even the best in their jobs. I stopped listening to people talk about 'what happened'. there was a certain security expert who was always giving advice to the police... akapatiwa job huko akanyamaza! I don't think its bad to have opinions and to be an expert, even huko world of scientists they have theoretical scientists and practical ones, and in most cases you can not switch them, but its from the theories that the practical guys get their directions, so I think the experts play a vital role. if you assemble a group of architects and engineers and have them do battle against the fundis and the watu wa mkono in say laying a slab or putting up a masonry wall the latter will most likely do a better job.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Iganamagana wrote:Liv wrote:There should be some legal restrictions on transport of such highly inflammable materials.... We should not just be talking about where and how to put bumps only. This accident might just give an idea to al shabab or other like minded groups on how to create terror in future. I hope someone in the internal security in the government has taken up this seriously. The internal security ministry should as soon as possible give direction on how transport of all highly inflammable materials will be carried out. I am almost certain that somewhere in our books are rules / regulations / statutes / standards on handling HAZMAT. Just like there are specifications on bump and rubble strips. Our biggest problem is that no one cares about this. Look at how we cross the streets all over town instead of using designated places. The wild beasts of the Mara are much more disciplined. This was a very sad tragedy... As I read the posts here, I wanted to say exactly as @Iganamagana has said. You see with the advancement in infrastructure i.e. highways etc... the people should also advance, the discipline must match the development.
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