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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,260 Location: nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:kaka2za wrote:Yowel wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:@Mainat, the reality will only sink in when the economy takes his job True. Typical Kenyan mentality. i concur. the economy humbles people, big and small. Small people are already humbled. Let's enjoy the small picture before the prophecy of the Wazua geniuses becomes reality. For now,we, daft people are happy! As a leading economic researcher in Africa.. I confirm and repeat, economically speaking the bill will make Kenya great again Yes trump,Iam buying banks next year when reality sinks.I expect a mean dividend on bank stocks this year All the best. Be careful with the smaller banks though, some will fold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Yowel wrote:tom_boy wrote:Yowel wrote:tom_boy wrote:Let me be counted among the pro rate cap hoi poloi. I still dont understand why rate cap is bad for business. The sooner banks get over their pity party , double down and get to work lending to those who deserve loans, the better it will be for all of us. No need having registered shylocks masquerading as banks. By June 2017, they will have seen the light and done away with their credit crunch games.
By the way, can someone explain to me slowly what interest rates have to do with weakening kenya shs against the dollar. What is the relationship. First, refer to post #1522. Then ask questions. @Yowel, kama huna jibu, dont expose your ignorance. Post #1522 does not answer my question. Let me give you another chance to answer the question. Go ahead, give it a shot, sio mtihani . . . nkt. @tom_boy, kuwa mpole bwana. Currency exchange rates are determined by a number of factors e.g. interest rates, current account on balance of payments, economic growth, relative inflation rate etc. Now looking at interest rates in isolation: if Kenyan interest rates rise, it shall become more attractive to save in Kes, thus a demand for the currency thus appreciation, but the KES is not a major currency and no one will dare do what ive explained considering the fragile nature of third world countries where savings could be wiped out in a flash. Now, answering your question based on the current situation: most emerging economies have borrowed in USD, i.e. both governments (read Eurobond in kenya, Nigeria, Ghana etc) and even the private sector. When the US raise their interest rates, investments and funds shall start trickling back at the expense of other countries, demand for the dollar shall rise and the USD shall appreciate and other currencies shall depreciate (KES etc). These shall be the effects: 1) investment shall be withdrawn by foreigners, a capital outflow which shall affect key investments both in the private sector and public sector. 2) repayment of debt shall be more expensive since the govt source of revenue is kes and repayment of debt is in usd, thus it shall take more kes to buy the same dollar. Thus the govt shall borrow more, still in Kes to meet the obligation, this shall cause interest rates to rise and the debt burden to increase even further. (For Kenya this is dangerous considering our budget deficit stands at 9.3% of GDP). For the government to protect the KES it needs to by either buy more dollars or raising interest rates higher crowding out funding for the private sector. Your answer is irrelevant to this topic. Let me state that I am a proud pro-capping and even started this thread (in what now seems like a long time ago). The capping as has been done only restricts the interest rate spread and affects banks only, it should have no impact on the rest of the economy any different from how a free interest rate regime would have. The base interest rate can still swing between 0-100% depending on the macros, our currency is also still free floating. Basically what banks have been told is that you can only make money within this limits from interest income, nothing else. All this scaremongering by akina Maichblack is a result of only study economic theory and never bothering to apply the same in real life where the variables are as numerous as one can imagine. PS, a major bank last week came to our office to sell us loans including credit cards and mortgages so I don't get this credit crunch bit that everyone is harping about. Wacha sisi tu ishi na caps. The doomsayers can continue waiting for doomsday. Na hata even if the caps were to be reversed, it could only return us to where we were before the capping. The imminent economic collapse or slow down is a result of poor governance, corruption and overspending and has nothing to do with rate caps. It started way before 2016 and could have happened even without the rate caps "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,872
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote: All this scaremongering by akina Maichblack,Central Bank Governor, Finance Cabinet Secretary, Experts at Treasury, World Bank, Kenya Association Manufacturers CEO, etc. etc. is a result of only study economic theory and never bothering to apply the same in real life where the variables are as numerous as one can imagine.
We are sorry @Obi 1 Kanobi!!! What do we know??? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,505 Location: Uganda
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Barclays has been begging to extend a loan to me,including a credit card loan at 1.15% per month. I also don't understand when people say there is a credit crunch . I'm actually restraining myself from taking unplanned loans Obi wrote : PS, a major bank last week came to our office to sell us loans including credit cards and mortgages so I don't get this credit crunch bit that everyone is harping about. punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,260 Location: nairobi
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newfarer wrote:Barclays has been begging to extend a loan to me,including a credit card loan at 1.15% per month. I also don't understand when people say there is a credit crunch . I'm actually restraining myself from taking unplanned loans
Obi wrote :
PS, a major bank last week came to our office to sell us loans including credit cards and mortgages so I don't get this credit crunch bit that everyone is harping about. Let a businessman write his current situation with banks right now.. Personal banking has always been less risky. The SMEs are the real sufferers in this capping shit
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,260 Location: nairobi
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newfarer wrote:Barclays has been begging to extend a loan to me,including a credit card loan at 1.15% per month. I also don't understand when people say there is a credit crunch . I'm actually restraining myself from taking unplanned loans
Obi wrote :
PS, a major bank last week came to our office to sell us loans including credit cards and mortgages so I don't get this credit crunch bit that everyone is harping about. Times are not easy for the small business owners
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,505 Location: Uganda
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obiero wrote:newfarer wrote:Barclays has been begging to extend a loan to me,including a credit card loan at 1.15% per month. I also don't understand when people say there is a credit crunch . I'm actually restraining myself from taking unplanned loans
Obi wrote :
PS, a major bank last week came to our office to sell us loans including credit cards and mortgages so I don't get this credit crunch bit that everyone is harping about. Let a businessman write his current situation with banks right now.. Personal banking has always been less risky. The SMEs are the real sufferers in this capping shit Being in consultancy, I'm privy to smes doing very well with their banks. The thing is building relationships that can be trusted. Paying loans on time . Wazua has many keyboard experts punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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obiero wrote:newfarer wrote:Barclays has been begging to extend a loan to me,including a credit card loan at 1.15% per month. I also don't understand when people say there is a credit crunch . I'm actually restraining myself from taking unplanned loans
Obi wrote :
PS, a major bank last week came to our office to sell us loans including credit cards and mortgages so I don't get this credit crunch bit that everyone is harping about. Let a businessman write his current situation with banks right now.. Personal banking has always been less risky. The SMEs are the real sufferers in this capping shit They will come around for small businesses as well. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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obiero wrote:newfarer wrote:Barclays has been begging to extend a loan to me,including a credit card loan at 1.15% per month. I also don't understand when people say there is a credit crunch . I'm actually restraining myself from taking unplanned loans
Obi wrote :
PS, a major bank last week came to our office to sell us loans including credit cards and mortgages so I don't get this credit crunch bit that everyone is harping about. Times are not easy for the small business owners Says who? My installment has been reduced by 40%! Can't get easier. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,260 Location: nairobi
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newfarer wrote:obiero wrote:newfarer wrote:Barclays has been begging to extend a loan to me,including a credit card loan at 1.15% per month. I also don't understand when people say there is a credit crunch . I'm actually restraining myself from taking unplanned loans
Obi wrote :
PS, a major bank last week came to our office to sell us loans including credit cards and mortgages so I don't get this credit crunch bit that everyone is harping about. Let a businessman write his current situation with banks right now.. Personal banking has always been less risky. The SMEs are the real sufferers in this capping shit Being in consultancy, I'm privy to smes doing very well with their banks. The thing is building relationships that can be trusted. Paying loans on time . Wazua has many keyboard experts Hehe. You must be the chair of the experts if you believe Kenyan banks are fair to SMEs. Which Kenyan bank can give more than KES 3M to an SME unsecured? Which Kenyan bank gives less than KES 10m PERSONAL unsecured? There's a bias towards traders and it's known
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