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vky wrote:I think human beings should always at the very minimum endeavor to understand that which they do not like or agree with, one would be led to think that atheists are a bunch of arrogant intolerant chauvinists if @hamburglar's and others who concur with his views are anything to go by.
@humburglar's breed of atheism is aptly referred to as, 'combative atheism' where you will hear such slogans as, 'if there is a God why does he let us suffer' or 'you religious people are stupid because you worship God', this kind of atheism which was made popular by the likes of Dr Richard Dawkins is shallow,lacks legitimacy and generally gives atheism a bad name but i will say this obiter, its a free world and we are all free to pick our desired poison.
The kind of atheism i concur with is the atheism of tolerance and constructive critique of all religious texts and practices without being condescending made popular in part by my favorite scholars the late Dr D M Murdock and Prof. Fransesca stavrakopoulou who is a professor of hebrew bible and ancient religion at the university of Exeter who is also an atheist and i have had the opportunity to attend a number of her public lectures on religion and God.(you can google their scholarly works)
when all is said and done, there is nothing and nothing is ether
Vky. My breed of combative atheism is very deliberate. I am what you would call militant atheist and I make no apologies for it. The reason is because I hate religion with a passion and I abhor how imaginary gods and religions have held back our societies. I hate how people use religion and gods to take advantage of the weak amongst us. I hate how people manipulate others and impoverish entire communities in the name of religion and gods. I think this is something that needs to be highlighted. I think it's a little dishonest for you as an atheist not to be appalled by what religions have done to humanity. For you to keep quiet yet you can see the sad state of affairs brought about by religions is a cop out, maybe even a little selfish. Sometimes people need to speak up to drive a point home. I know you understand my drift. . My breed of atheism albeit brutal is very effective. It provokes consciences and it has even made a few people wiser and more empowered. You would be surprised how many people have told me that they see a lot of sense in what I convey and my messages have made them think critically about the hogwash that is religion and gods. If one person is freed from the chains of religion, then that's a good day for the world. I understand tolerance but we cannot and should not tolerate something as evil and detrimental as religion. I know it's my opinion that religion is evil but on this one, i can unequivocally say that my opinion is absolutely right on this matter. You KNOW that.
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i think there are as many breeds of atheism as there are atheist!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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hamburglar wrote:vky wrote:I think human beings should always at the very minimum endeavor to understand that which they do not like or agree with, one would be led to think that atheists are a bunch of arrogant intolerant chauvinists if @hamburglar's and others who concur with his views are anything to go by.
@humburglar's breed of atheism is aptly referred to as, 'combative atheism' where you will hear such slogans as, 'if there is a God why does he let us suffer' or 'you religious people are stupid because you worship God', this kind of atheism which was made popular by the likes of Dr Richard Dawkins is shallow,lacks legitimacy and generally gives atheism a bad name but i will say this obiter, its a free world and we are all free to pick our desired poison.
The kind of atheism i concur with is the atheism of tolerance and constructive critique of all religious texts and practices without being condescending made popular in part by my favorite scholars the late Dr D M Murdock and Prof. Fransesca stavrakopoulou who is a professor of hebrew bible and ancient religion at the university of Exeter who is also an atheist and i have had the opportunity to attend a number of her public lectures on religion and God.(you can google their scholarly works)
when all is said and done, there is nothing and nothing is ether
Vky. My breed of combative atheism is very deliberate. I am what you would call militant atheist and I make no apologies for it. The reason is because I hate religion with a passion and I abhor how imaginary gods and religions have held back our societies. I hate how people use religion and gods to take advantage of the weak amongst us. I hate how people manipulate others and impoverish entire communities in the name of religion and gods. I think this is something that needs to be highlighted. I think it's a little dishonest for you as an atheist not to be appalled by what religions have done to humanity. For you to keep quiet yet you can see the sad state of affairs brought about by religions is a cop out, maybe even a little selfish. Sometimes people need to speak up to drive a point home. I know you understand my drift. . My breed of atheism albeit brutal is very effective. It provokes consciences and it has even made a few people wiser and more empowered. You would be surprised how many people have told me that they see a lot of sense in what I convey and my messages have made them think critically about the hogwash that is religion and gods. If one person is freed from the chains of religion, then that's a good day for the world. I understand tolerance but we cannot and should not tolerate something as evil and detrimental as religion. I know it's my opinion that religion is evil but on this one, i can unequivocally say that my opinion is absolutely right on this matter. You KNOW that. If this is your 'creed', then it's likely that you're deluding yourself. Firstly, you're universe has 'good' and 'evil'. But you want to do what God hasn't done; impose Good. In essence, your inner psychology is divided and in conflict with itself. Besides, your thinking is anthropomorphic. But is anthropomorphism, and its reification, enough to make one 'absolutely right'? Notice your use of 'KNOW' 'absolutely right' in a world that has evil. Nay, in a self that has evil. Or rather, you would posit that you have no evil, and you're just an exorcist. And this exorcism is one of ideas and beliefs. Absolute ideas... a fixed and singular reality. But this idea isn't sustainable. That's why you get violent and militant. Intimidation, manipulation- for example 'most atheists are rich; become an atheist, and you'll be rich'- violation of personhood, all these are the very tactics used by some religions. You promise utopia, just like some promise heaven. Only that heaven is here on earth, and subject to your will. Atheism, at least this militant one, is militant because it has no content and SUSPECTS it's probably true. And to cover the horror of such frailty, it clings to its ways doggedly, and 'militantly'. Not that this is bad, or even unnecessary. No. It's, ... illuminating. Upon the illuminated, absolute Good is possible, through sight. Sight that comes through freedom and personal development. And what is 'freedom'? The ability to choose and develop your values. Freedom is the right to history. The world, as it is, is good. Not because the politics are optimal, but because existence itself bears the potential and guarantee of optimality.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:hamburglar wrote:vky wrote:I think human beings should always at the very minimum endeavor to understand that which they do not like or agree with, one would be led to think that atheists are a bunch of arrogant intolerant chauvinists if @hamburglar's and others who concur with his views are anything to go by.
@humburglar's breed of atheism is aptly referred to as, 'combative atheism' where you will hear such slogans as, 'if there is a God why does he let us suffer' or 'you religious people are stupid because you worship God', this kind of atheism which was made popular by the likes of Dr Richard Dawkins is shallow,lacks legitimacy and generally gives atheism a bad name but i will say this obiter, its a free world and we are all free to pick our desired poison.
The kind of atheism i concur with is the atheism of tolerance and constructive critique of all religious texts and practices without being condescending made popular in part by my favorite scholars the late Dr D M Murdock and Prof. Fransesca stavrakopoulou who is a professor of hebrew bible and ancient religion at the university of Exeter who is also an atheist and i have had the opportunity to attend a number of her public lectures on religion and God.(you can google their scholarly works)
when all is said and done, there is nothing and nothing is ether
Vky. My breed of combative atheism is very deliberate. I am what you would call militant atheist and I make no apologies for it. The reason is because I hate religion with a passion and I abhor how imaginary gods and religions have held back our societies. I hate how people use religion and gods to take advantage of the weak amongst us. I hate how people manipulate others and impoverish entire communities in the name of religion and gods. I think this is something that needs to be highlighted. I think it's a little dishonest for you as an atheist not to be appalled by what religions have done to humanity. For you to keep quiet yet you can see the sad state of affairs brought about by religions is a cop out, maybe even a little selfish. Sometimes people need to speak up to drive a point home. I know you understand my drift. . My breed of atheism albeit brutal is very effective. It provokes consciences and it has even made a few people wiser and more empowered. You would be surprised how many people have told me that they see a lot of sense in what I convey and my messages have made them think critically about the hogwash that is religion and gods. If one person is freed from the chains of religion, then that's a good day for the world. I understand tolerance but we cannot and should not tolerate something as evil and detrimental as religion. I know it's my opinion that religion is evil but on this one, i can unequivocally say that my opinion is absolutely right on this matter. You KNOW that. If this is your 'creed', then it's likely that you're deluding yourself. Firstly, you're universe has 'good' and 'evil'. But you want to do what God hasn't done; impose Good. In essence, your inner psychology is divided and in conflict with itself. Besides, your thinking is anthropomorphic. But is anthropomorphism, and its reification, enough to make one 'absolutely right'? Notice your use of 'KNOW' 'absolutely right' in a world that has evil. Nay, in a self that has evil. Or rather, you would posit that you have no evil, and you're just an exorcist. And this exorcism is one of ideas and beliefs. Absolute ideas... a fixed and singular reality. But this idea isn't sustainable. That's why you get violent and militant. Intimidation, manipulation- for example 'most atheists are rich; become an atheist, and you'll be rich'- violation of personhood, all these are the very tactics used by some religions. You promise utopia, just like some promise heaven. Only that heaven is here on earth, and subject to your will. Atheism, at least this militant one, is militant because it has no content and SUSPECTS it's probably true. And to cover the horror of such frailty, it clings to its ways doggedly, and 'militantly'. Not that this is bad, or even unnecessary. No. It's, ... illuminating. Upon the illuminated, absolute Good is possible, through sight. Sight that comes through freedom and personal development. And what is 'freedom'? The ability to choose and develop your values. Freedom is the right to history. The world, as it is, is good. Not because the politics are optimal, but because existence itself bears the potential and guarantee of optimality. Mtu Biz wrote: Weee! What are you guys on about?
This talk will attract @Tycho here then the thread will need an intepretor from another galaxy. :(
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tycho wrote:hamburglar wrote:vky wrote:I think human beings should always at the very minimum endeavor to understand that which they do not like or agree with, one would be led to think that atheists are a bunch of arrogant intolerant chauvinists if @hamburglar's and others who concur with his views are anything to go by.
@humburglar's breed of atheism is aptly referred to as, 'combative atheism' where you will hear such slogans as, 'if there is a God why does he let us suffer' or 'you religious people are stupid because you worship God', this kind of atheism which was made popular by the likes of Dr Richard Dawkins is shallow,lacks legitimacy and generally gives atheism a bad name but i will say this obiter, its a free world and we are all free to pick our desired poison.
The kind of atheism i concur with is the atheism of tolerance and constructive critique of all religious texts and practices without being condescending made popular in part by my favorite scholars the late Dr D M Murdock and Prof. Fransesca stavrakopoulou who is a professor of hebrew bible and ancient religion at the university of Exeter who is also an atheist and i have had the opportunity to attend a number of her public lectures on religion and God.(you can google their scholarly works)
when all is said and done, there is nothing and nothing is ether
Vky. My breed of combative atheism is very deliberate. I am what you would call militant atheist and I make no apologies for it. The reason is because I hate religion with a passion and I abhor how imaginary gods and religions have held back our societies. I hate how people use religion and gods to take advantage of the weak amongst us. I hate how people manipulate others and impoverish entire communities in the name of religion and gods. I think this is something that needs to be highlighted. I think it's a little dishonest for you as an atheist not to be appalled by what religions have done to humanity. For you to keep quiet yet you can see the sad state of affairs brought about by religions is a cop out, maybe even a little selfish. Sometimes people need to speak up to drive a point home. I know you understand my drift. . My breed of atheism albeit brutal is very effective. It provokes consciences and it has even made a few people wiser and more empowered. You would be surprised how many people have told me that they see a lot of sense in what I convey and my messages have made them think critically about the hogwash that is religion and gods. If one person is freed from the chains of religion, then that's a good day for the world. I understand tolerance but we cannot and should not tolerate something as evil and detrimental as religion. I know it's my opinion that religion is evil but on this one, i can unequivocally say that my opinion is absolutely right on this matter. You KNOW that. If this is your 'creed', then it's likely that you're deluding yourself. Firstly, you're universe has 'good' and 'evil'. But you want to do what God hasn't done; impose Good. In essence, your inner psychology is divided and in conflict with itself. Besides, your thinking is anthropomorphic. But is anthropomorphism, and its reification, enough to make one 'absolutely right'? Notice your use of 'KNOW' 'absolutely right' in a world that has evil. Nay, in a self that has evil. Or rather, you would posit that you have no evil, and you're just an exorcist. And this exorcism is one of ideas and beliefs. Absolute ideas... a fixed and singular reality. But this idea isn't sustainable. That's why you get violent and militant. Intimidation, manipulation- for example 'most atheists are rich; become an atheist, and you'll be rich'- violation of personhood, all these are the very tactics used by some religions. You promise utopia, just like some promise heaven. Only that heaven is here on earth, and subject to your will. Atheism, at least this militant one, is militant because it has no content and SUSPECTS it's probably true. And to cover the horror of such frailty, it clings to its ways doggedly, and 'militantly'. Not that this is bad, or even unnecessary. No. It's, ... illuminating. Upon the illuminated, absolute Good is possible, through sight. Sight that comes through freedom and personal development. And what is 'freedom'? The ability to choose and develop your values. Freedom is the right to history.The world, as it is, is good. Not because the politics are optimal, but because existence itself bears the potential and guarantee of optimality. people should heed those words 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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