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Law Capping interest rates
tom_boy
#1561 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:04:46 AM
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Yowel wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
Let me be counted among the pro rate cap hoi poloi. I still dont understand why rate cap is bad for business. The sooner banks get over their pity party , double down and get to work lending to those who deserve loans, the better it will be for all of us. No need having registered shylocks masquerading as banks. By June 2017, they will have seen the light and done away with their credit crunch games.

By the way, can someone explain to me slowly what interest rates have to do with weakening kenya shs against the dollar. What is the relationship.


First, refer to post #1522. Then ask questions.


@Yowel, kama huna jibu, dont expose your ignorance. Post #1522 does not answer my question. Let me give you another chance to answer the question. Go ahead, give it a shot, sio mtihani . . . nkt.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
quicksand
#1562 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:06:45 AM
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Yowel wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
guru267 wrote:
We are slowly moving towards reversing this retarded law.

As I have been saying, was always going to happen. The longest UK can hold is up to slightly after the elections. Because the signing was politically motivated, he might just let the economy go to the dogs till after the election - what a high price for Kenyans to pay for some people to get votes!!

But this law doesn't see December 2017. Worst case scenario!!!



I like my loan statement now. My loan will be cleared by Dec 2017 so who cares!


Right now we are quick to think of ourselves and the advantage of the rate cap which is a good thing but looking at the bigger picture, when the economy is in shambles, this wont matter anymore, we shall all go/come home to roost.

Case in point, when a whole economy is in recession, everyone suffers a ripple effect from production, consumer spending, supply, demand, profits etc etc



I think banks are either playing crunch games or the whole ecosystem was overdue for a correction and these are the initial painful phases. Or both.
Either way, I firmly stand in the capped rates corner.
Let the economy run aground, if only to make a point. What would be folly is to give them free reign and expect them to regulate themselves -we have seen that movie before. I sympathize with those whose portfolios got the hair-dryer treatment, but the well being of Kenyans outstrips the profiteering of a few.
tom_boy
#1563 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:10:48 AM
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Mainat wrote:
Maybe the quality in the forum has worsened.
Look around you, how many cutbacks have the banks recently announced? And this is a lean sector already! Where banks lead, others will follow. Look at EA Portland and they are selling products in a vibrant sector. Look at Nakumatt, where the banks have pulled funding lines.
Yes, a small prroprotion of existing "quality" borrowers (read MPs and cronies) get a short-term benefit, but the overall economy will take a proper hit.
Mambo baado


Nakumatt has expanded because shylock banks were willing to loan based on poorly done risk assessment. In return, Nakumatt has withheld payments to suppliers running to billions of shillings so as to meet interest payments. Suppliers are forced to borrow from same shylock banks to meet basic running expenses. Then someone tells me rate cap is the cause of Nakumatts problems. Give me a break.

The so called credit crunch is a manipulation by the banks, trying to cause organised chaos. They can only be the losers. The winners are those banks that will put in proper risk assessment policies and follow them.

Case in point, a bank has given me a mortgage on a property outside nairobi. Now, post rate caps, while attempting to refinance with another bank, bank 2 tells me it will be tricky because the property is outside Nairobi. Not my ability to repay, not value of the property vis a vis refinance sort, but, location of property. Thats nonsense in my opinion.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
Mainat
#1564 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:13:47 AM
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Tom-mboy, the proof of the pudding is in the eating

tom_boy wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Maybe the quality in the forum has worsened.
Look around you, how many cutbacks have the banks recently announced? And this is a lean sector already! Where banks lead, others will follow. Look at EA Portland and they are selling products in a vibrant sector. Look at Nakumatt, where the banks have pulled funding lines.
Yes, a small prroprotion of existing "quality" borrowers (read MPs and cronies) get a short-term benefit, but the overall economy will take a proper hit.
Mambo baado


Nakumatt has expanded because shylock banks were willing to loan based on poorly done risk assessment. In return, Nakumatt has withheld payments to suppliers running to billions of shillings so as to meet interest payments. Suppliers are forced to borrow from same shylock banks to meet basic running expenses. Then some economist with a degree tells me rate cap is the cause of Nakumatts problems. Give me a break.

Sehemu ndio nyumba
murchr
#1565 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:21:26 AM
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@Mainat, the reality will only sink in when the economy takes his job
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MaichBlack
#1566 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:41:58 AM
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quicksand wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
guru267 wrote:
We are slowly moving towards reversing this retarded law.

As I have been saying, was always going to happen. The longest UK can hold is up to slightly after the elections. Because the signing was politically motivated, he might just let the economy go to the dogs till after the election - what a high price for Kenyans to pay for some people to get votes!!

But this law doesn't see December 2017. Worst case scenario!!!

UK can't unilaterally void the law. An MP has to introduce a motion to repeal it or scrap it...I will want to see that usually heavily indebted house vote to let banks swing their huge loans back to the mid-twenties interest rate mark, for curiosity's sake.

These fellows will vote for anything provided they get something in return. Swing them some money with whatever title you want to give it and some will even vote to sell their own mothers. And in any case, the MPs themselves and their businesses will be feeling the credit crunch themselves!!! Talk to any bank or MP/Governor/Senator/County Rep right now!!! They are not being given long term loans despite their fat salaries!

If that fails, then as we have been warning, CBK will start getting monetary instructions from the executive.

The easiest is to have them raise rates and allow banks to come up with ridiculous conditions for an account to earn interest. like withdrawing only once a year - effectively turning all interest earning accounts to fixed accounts!!! Simple because some banks are already limiting to one withdrawal per quarter!!
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Mainat
#1567 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:44:59 AM
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To be honest, the pro and anti-cap debate is not new and is as old as economics theory has been around. What I know is this. A bank’s primary role in an economy is to take credit risk in exchange for interest rate payment. Unless you as GoK think you have a better understanding of credit risk, you should stay out.
Even an idiot, can see what uhuruto did was a populist move which has no in place in the proper functioning of an economy.
Sehemu ndio nyumba
MaichBlack
#1568 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:51:18 AM
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maka wrote:
UK should just go home...go drink his liquor in peace...running a country is proving to be a hard task.

Running a country needs experience at different levels of Government. That is why Kibaki was best for Kenya and changed the fortunes of the country for the better.

Unfortunately we don't have such a person currently (in power or in waiting/opposition).

The US will also find this out soon. Electing someone who has never even been a kajora as their president!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#1569 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:58:59 AM
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Mainat wrote:
To be honest, the pro and anti-cap debate is not new and is as old as economics theory has been around. What I know is this. A bank’s primary role in an economy is to take credit risk in exchange for interest rate payment. Unless you as GoK think you have a better understanding of credit risk, you should stay out.
Even an idiot, can see what uhuruto did was a populist move which has no in place in the proper functioning of an economy.

And none of their economics/finance/treasury guys supported them. They ALL actually opposed the idea!!! The decision was as political as they come.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#1570 Posted: : Thursday, December 01, 2016 11:00:35 AM
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murchr wrote:
@Mainat, the reality will only sink in when the economy takes his job

True. Typical Kenyan mentality.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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