Ignoring the Ruto no-ists because theirs is a political succession issue, I am saddened by the fact that so far Christians have refused to part of the give and take without which a new katiba is made. On the issue of abortion, I'd like somebody to ask them whether the mothers' lives are less important than the children they bear.

@muganda bring up the next ones. This abortion thing is not going to change minds. The yeses and nos have decided on this one.

Lete hiyo nyingine.

@Mpenzi, Wendz and chepkel

From my understanding, if one apeals the decision of a Kadhi court, then I thot the case going forward is determined under the Kenyan laws and the Islamic laws are henceforth discarded.

Kenyans love land. Chapter Five is in two parts land and the environment. It seems forests, firewood, crop were in plenty in 1963, the word environment does not exist in the current constitution.



point 11: So the new constitution gives us the first principles of land (not just trust land) in our history as a country.

(60) Land in Kenya shall be held in accordance with principles of equitable access, sustainable and productive management, transparent administration, sound conservation etc.

Gender discrimination in law, customs and practices related to land and property ELIMINATED


(61) All land in Kenya belongs to the people of Kenya; classified as public, community or private

Public land is all minerals and mineral oils as defined by law; all rivers, lakes and other water bodies as defined by act of parliarment; land of which no heir can be identified by any legal land process etc.



point 12: So I saw Agok community on TV complaining about 'Katiba'. Did they have a clue? In current constitution their land is Trust land, alloted by county
councils or the president.
(63) Community land shall vest in and be held by communities identified on the basis of ethnicity, culture or similar community of interest.
Community land shall not be disposed of or otherwise used except in terms of legislation specifying the nature and extent of the rights of members of each community individually and collectively.


point 13: Let's get our land back...
(65) A person who is not a citizen may hold land on the basis of leasehold tenure only, and any such lease, however granted, shall not exceed ninety-nine years.


(67) National Land Commission to manage public land on behalf othe national and county governments; monitor and oversee land use planning throught the country

(68) Parliarment shall revise, consolidate and rationalise existing land laws and enact legislation to prescribe minimum and maximum land holding




point 14: Under Part 2, state now has obligations in respect of conservation of environment and natural resources and equitably sharing accuring benefits.

KUDOS - Tree cover must be at least 10% of land area of Kenya. And we can all demand a right to a clean and health environment as prescribed by our bill of rights


How refreshing!!!

It is my considered opinion that this "katiba" circus begun because folks were disgusted with the (M Oh One) Presidential powers.

The majority of "our" leaders in power today have consistently agitated for the reduction of these persived powers.

Could someone enlighten me (us) on what the current constitution says about the Presidential Powers as opposed to the the Proposed Constitution.

For the record, I have not registered and I do not intend to until after 2012.

@slammers are you still with us?

Chapter 6: Leadership and Integrity
How aptly titled this chapter is; a true reflection of the aspirations of the Kenyan people. Or perhaps an indication of the lack of integrity in present times - no such chapter in the current constitution


point 15: Authority assigned to a State officer is a public trust to be exercised in a manner that is
-consistent with the constitution,
-demonstrates respect for the people,
-brings honour and dignity to the office,
-and promotes public confidence in the integrit of office

Guiding principles for leadership and integrity include
-selection on basis of personal integrity, competence..
-objectivity and impartiality in decision making
-selfless serice based solely on the public interest..
-accountability to the public for decisions and actions..
-discpline and commitment in service to the people



point 16: (75) State office shall behave in a manner that avoids any conflight of interest. A person removed from office from contravention of appropriate conduct is disqualified from holding any state office.


point 17: (76) Gift or donation to a state officer is a gift or donation to the Republic and shall be delivered to the state.
A state officer shall not maintain bank account outside Kenya except in accordance with an act of parliarment...

(77) A full time state officer shall not participate in any other gainful employment; shall not hold office in a political party; if receiving pension from public funds shall not accept more than two positions as chairperson/director/employee of 'parastatal' or state organ

Muganda, have you considered starting another thread titled "Download Draft Here" or something like that?

@Wazee,

Oh, really? Watch me.

Incidently, I was invited to assist in IT for IIEC in our area but I pointed out I have not registered and do not intend to. I was adviced that that would infact be an advantage in that I would be impartial, their word, not mine.

Would you also be kind enough and point out which part of the constitution that makes it compulsory to register as a voter?

@Obi 1 Kanobi You are wrong. There is no way a case determined under Islamic law on marriage, for example, can then be determined under the Marriage Act on appeal - that would be total confusion.

Not to worry, we'll be making decisions for you just don't come complaining after...