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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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timizo wrote:2012 wrote:timizo wrote:2012 wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:hardwood wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.
Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine  For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid? Kabura can only be found guilty of money laundering or tax evasion. The rest is not for her to prove. Of course the guys who approved the payments on the system will follow the script and say they got orders from the top (cs). Seriously, are you so desperate to exonerate a conspirator? If you conspire to defraud, you are equally guilty @murchr,legally from what you've heard so far, what would you prosecute her with? @2012, I have followed your comments on this thread and based on your arguments, I can tell that you are neither a lawyer or an accountant and/or you never followed these live proceedings and you are relying on the newspapers and TV news which brings only sections plus journalists distortions. For your information, Kabura has already been charged with the theft of NYS money..... do you want to tell us that you know better than the DPP? You know most Kenyans think that there has been no progress from the DPP on the NYS case just because Waiguru has not been charged.... People are already in court.... Kwani watu hawasomi Gazeti or watch news?...Ngai!!! @Timizo, I know all that but now, try to think of 'beyond reasonable doubt', remove feelings from this and think law. I will assure you that the cartel will get a a great lawyer like the one who sat next to her and she'll be out. This lady never applied for the tender, she was paid by the issuer of the LPO based on their LPO, she delivered nothing and hence no delivery notes, she was extremely unqualified for anything and is semi-literate (in my opinion). Any good lawyer will argue that she just found money in her account. Objectively what she did is launder money, money came into her account and she moved it to fictitious accounts. In my opinion the most she can get for crimes based on documentary and witness evidence (and there are no witnesses against her so far) is 2yrs behind bars. Anyway, let's wait and see as this is no different from pastor Paul Patni's Golden berg, only that unlike Patni who originated G'berd, we all know Kabura is intellectually incapable to have masterminded this. Now, I'm not disagreeing with you that she's very guilty, I'm saying that if we get too focused on the scapegoat, the real caprits will get away scot-free and isn't that the only purpose for a scapegoat? Let's wait and see the outcome and I hope by that time, this thread will be here....She gets money in her account, and distributes the money to people that the CID has determined through phone records had been in communication with her before the loss occurred and ministry officials who have also been charged and you think the court will just think she was not part of this. By the way, more than 10 people have been charged with this theft and a good number from the ministry. No wonder you started this thread to express how sorry you felt for her and asking how she could be helped. So, in your opinion, who is the main mastermind? Isn't it obvious who the main masterminds are? I'm sure you know as well as I do that Kabura is intellectually incapable of being the architect. With the hindsight of history, scandals of this magnitude and confidence are masterminded by highly placed politicians. Your guess is as good as mine.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. There is no URp, we only have JP.....tuko pamoja? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,921
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Swenani wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. There is no URp, we only have JP.....tuko pamoja? Eating is by Government, JP In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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It will be wise for WSR to get rid of the ticks on his skin otherwise the house will not be very kind to him. The cookie will crumble he better watch out, Waegoro has data in hand, his lieutenants were stupid left digital footprints everywhere. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/3/2015 Posts: 126 Location: Nairobi
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What has been a big disappointment to me is is the inability of Kenyans to process every information related to this scam from day 1 and have an idea of where the truth lies. We have relied 100% on Politicians. The media has been a very big let down.... I think some editors are part of the scam. Other people believe it's Waiguru just because Baba said it was her. If Baba came up today and said it was not Waiguru, we would now turn the other way. There is no way we are going to fight corruption this way.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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timizo wrote:What has been a big disappointment to me is is the inability of Kenyans to process every information related to this scam from day 1 and have an idea of where the truth lies. We have relied 100% on Politicians. The media has been a very big let down.... I think some editors are part of the scam. Other people believe it's Waiguru just because Baba said it was her. If Baba came up today and said it was not Waiguru, we would now turn the other way. There is no way we are going to fight corruption this way. True, someone once told me these reporters are in some politician's payroll and I thought it was a joke. I however believe if this story was to be published by the international media then we'd see some sense even in the judiciary. Am looking fwd to the day institutions will run independently with little if any interference. Can you imagine the FBI - Clinton scenario in Kenya? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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murchr wrote:It will be wise for WSR to get rid of the ticks on his skin otherwise the house will not be very kind to him. The cookie will crumble he better watch out, Waegoro has data in hand, his lieutenants were stupid left digital footprints everywhere. Been going through several fb pages and this was wsr's most reckless adventure. On moses kuria's fb timeline, guys are telling him without mincing words they would rather the marriage broke than sacrifice waegoro to please wsr. And some have made it known to him that they have no intentions of voting wsr ever. In kirinyaga, I think wsr has just made her the next governor.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/24/2010 Posts: 637 Location: Nairobi
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FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. I dont know what that word means but if it also means fraudsters,conmen or thieves maquarading as leaders then we are together.Anything which can run a government other than this self seeking conmen will do. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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We need a revolution in this country. Not sure if it will happen during our time Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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keraka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. I dont know what that word means but if it also means fraudsters,conmen or thieves maquarading as leaders then we are together.Anything which can run a government other than this self seeking conmen will do. Kleptomania is a psychiatric condition I which the sick person cannot resist the urge to steal. Like that librarian guy in Nyeri who had stolen things like buckets ladies panties e.t.c. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:keraka wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. I dont know what that word means but if it also means fraudsters,conmen or thieves maquarading as leaders then we are together.Anything which can run a government other than this self seeking conmen will do. Kleptomania is a psychiatric condition I which the sick person cannot resist the urge to steal. Like that librarian guy in Nyeri who had stolen things like buckets ladies panties e.t.c. I could be wrong but maybe you didn't get keraka's drift
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2015 Posts: 682
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FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. Yes, Ruto is the mastermind, but let's not act like Waiguru did not dip her hands into the cookie jar, even for some crumbs.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/3/2015 Posts: 126 Location: Nairobi
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Mike Ock wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. Yes, Ruto is the mastermind, but let's not act like Waiguru did not dip her hands into the cookie jar, even for some crumbs. Mike Ock. Could you please share with us what makes you make the conclusion that Waiguru also stole. I am one of the people who thinks she stole nothing. I will be happy to know what I could have missed and will duly correct this if you have something I could have missed.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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timizo wrote:Mike Ock wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. Yes, Ruto is the mastermind, but let's not act like Waiguru did not dip her hands into the cookie jar, even for some crumbs. Mike Ock. Could you please share with us what makes you make the conclusion that Waiguru also stole. I am one of the people who thinks she stole nothing. I will be happy to know what I could have missed and will duly correct this if you have something I could have missed. @Timizo, as we wait for Mike Ock to share, you can also share with us what makes you believe Yguru didnt steal? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:Mike Ock wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. Yes, Ruto is the mastermind, but let's not act like Waiguru did not dip her hands into the cookie jar, even for some crumbs. Mike Ock. Could you please share with us what makes you make the conclusion that Waiguru also stole. I am one of the people who thinks she stole nothing. I will be happy to know what I could have missed and will duly correct this if you have something I could have missed. @Timizo, as we wait for Mike Ock to share, you can also share with us what makes you believe Yguru didnt steal? All the money trail ends up at the doorstep of the high priest of corruption. Ben Gethi was equally a puppet. The puppeteer is unveiling himself slowly.
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Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:Mike Ock wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. Yes, Ruto is the mastermind, but let's not act like Waiguru did not dip her hands into the cookie jar, even for some crumbs. Mike Ock. Could you please share with us what makes you make the conclusion that Waiguru also stole. I am one of the people who thinks she stole nothing. I will be happy to know what I could have missed and will duly correct this if you have something I could have missed. @Timizo, as we wait for Mike Ock to share, you can also share with us what makes you believe Yguru didnt steal? It is the onus of those who think someone is guilt to prove this with concrete evidence.Not the other way round.One is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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PeterReborn wrote:Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:Mike Ock wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. Yes, Ruto is the mastermind, but let's not act like Waiguru did not dip her hands into the cookie jar, even for some crumbs. Mike Ock. Could you please share with us what makes you make the conclusion that Waiguru also stole. I am one of the people who thinks she stole nothing. I will be happy to know what I could have missed and will duly correct this if you have something I could have missed. @Timizo, as we wait for Mike Ock to share, you can also share with us what makes you believe Yguru didnt steal? It is the onus of those who think someone is guilt to prove this with concrete evidence.Not the other way round. One is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Not in Kenya, if you are in or have been in GOK you are first guilty then .....maybe innocent.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Kratos wrote:PeterReborn wrote:Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:Mike Ock wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks wsr is pushing his luck too far by trying to pin this scam on waegoro ?
It is clear that nys was masterminded by urp just like every other scam facing jubilee. And it seems waegoro has had it with their nonsense.
This is where I leave it to the analysts to tell us what is cooking. Could the boss have authorized his deputy to throw waegoro under the bus ? And what if she decides to spill the beans ? Ama arusi ilivunjika ?
Meanwhile, we are enjoying this show with glee. By "we" I mean those who hope anyone else would be better than these klaeptomaniacs. Yes, Ruto is the mastermind, but let's not act like Waiguru did not dip her hands into the cookie jar, even for some crumbs. Mike Ock. Could you please share with us what makes you make the conclusion that Waiguru also stole. I am one of the people who thinks she stole nothing. I will be happy to know what I could have missed and will duly correct this if you have something I could have missed. @Timizo, as we wait for Mike Ock to share, you can also share with us what makes you believe Yguru didnt steal? It is the onus of those who think someone is guilt to prove this with concrete evidence.Not the other way round. One is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Not in Kenya, if you are in or have been in GOK you are first guilty then .....maybe innocent. So we are presuming Rutto to be guilty until proven innocent and Yguru to be innocent until proven guilty? Ama what are we saying? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/21/2013 Posts: 427
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Am also of the view that based on the information that is in the public domain so far, Waiguru may be just but a victim of the corruption cartels lend by one and only....She comes across safi kama pamba
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