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KENOL/KOBIL
mv_ufanisi
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:04:47 PM
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What are the expectations of the results of this company? Will they still be able to give a good dividend yield this year?
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Horton
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:34:33 PM
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Should be good. I expect NM to go to 1.5%-2%(almost double of FY08) And finance costs should drop.

I doubt they will give out fat divs, they have a substantial amount of debt.

I dunno, ball park figure, my personal views again, based on my calculations, hopes and etc

EPS=7.5-8.3
DPS= 3-4bob

They havent done a bonus in a looong time, hopefully, they go this route as well, like the trend is at the moment with other companies!!

Happy hunting!!!
Gordon Gekko
#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 30, 2010 1:26:34 PM
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Have a good feel about this one. It is one of my anchor stocks.
Last H1 they had a 400M loss, but they sent out a cautionary statement in H2 saying that would be much better. Question is, is much better enough to wipe out H1 losses, considering that PAT for 2008 was about 400M?
They expanded exponentially after the Kobil merger so sales should be good, also consider that they have the highest retail prices in the market, and they get more than their fair share of KPLC fuel for generator contracts.
The KPC award should show up in this years accounts, unless they decided that the chances of winning in 2009 were so good they factored it in their 2009 accounts.
Their paid up capital is only 75M, which for a company that generates nearly 100B in annual sales is tiny. They are also sitting on 5B equity reserves.
I really don't expect a big dividend, I expect a 1:1 bonus.
Stock up, I don't expect disappointments on this one. But then again one should have stocked up during the 55-60 range.
youcan'tstopusnow
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 30, 2010 1:38:52 PM
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This stock is really one to look out for in the next 6-12 months. They have gone on an acquisition spree in Southern Africa.
They have also expanded in Rwanda and Burundi.
I wouldn't be surprised to see it hitting 85/= in a fortnight or so.
Oil prices are picking up together with the world economy. Demand for fuel in Africa can only keep going up. KenolKobil intends to be in the front lines to benefit from this growth and so will its shareholders.
I recommend buying and holding
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Gordon Gekko
#5 Posted : Friday, April 02, 2010 6:00:31 AM
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They are interested in Shell, which is on the block. I dont know how they will work this one out given the 25% cap in retail business. Their current share of the market equals or exceeds this limit.
Horton
#6 Posted : Friday, April 02, 2010 8:29:47 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
They are interested in Shell, which is on the block. I dont know how they will work this one out given the 25% cap in retail business. Their current share of the market equals or exceeds this limit.


@GG where did u see this? Coz what i ead was that Oil lybia are looking to buy these
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#7 Posted : Friday, April 02, 2010 8:56:07 AM
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@horton, mobile.nation.co.ke/business
mv_ufanisi
#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:24:19 PM
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Profit after tax up by 47%, dividend of Kshs. 3.25 - things are looking good in 2010. Way to go Kenol.
Horton
#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:45:09 PM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
Profit after tax up by 47%, dividend of Kshs. 3.25 - things are looking good in 2010. Way to go Kenol.




Nice
guru267
#10 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:31:44 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
Profit after tax up by 47%, dividend of Kshs. 3.25 - things are looking good in 2010. Way to go Kenol.


nice but this is a once off because the real operating profits up only 12% and sales were down... these guys are eyeing shell and if that goes through it will be huge for them...
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Surealligator
#11 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:28:46 AM
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@guru267

Morning sir. Was the 4.7 billion awarded to Kenol included in their current financial report?
Go overdrive in purchasing the goods when there's blood on the streets, expecially if the blood is your own
guru267
#12 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:36:35 AM
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morning @surealligator but actually i'm not a sir i'm a madamoiselle...

i dont the 4.7 billion was included in the results but it got 300million from sale of assets....
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Horton
#13 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:38:13 AM
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there was an appeal for the KPC which was a non-starter(ie its in KK's favour) according to people familiar with the matter, however, they didnt announce the outcome yesterday....quite interesting!!!


They have Shareholder Equity of 11B, which is huge!! and they havent announced the KPC award
muganda
#14 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:53:06 AM
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@female guru, agreed. Results are strangely beautiful at the bottomline but surprising elsewhere.

guru267 wrote:
nice but this is a once off because the real operating profits up only 12% and sales were down...


Sales down
Operating margin down
Dividends down
Horton
#15 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:09:23 AM
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muganda wrote:
@female guru, agreed. Results are strangely beautiful at the bottomline but surprising elsewhere.

guru267 wrote:
nice but this is a once off because the real operating profits up only 12% and sales were down...


Sales down
Operating margin down
Dividends down



SAles were down because fuel prices were much lower

ie 2008 fuel was sitting pretty at $110+
ie 2009 it was between $30-80

however volumes were UP!!
guru267
#16 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:36:13 AM
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this stock is headed for good things with the planned 2.5bob increase in pump prices and with oil expected to trade at $95-$100 within 3months
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ProverB
#17 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:34:42 AM
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guru267 wrote:
this stock is headed for good things with the planned 2.5bob increase in pump prices and with oil expected to trade at $95-$100 within 3months

I disagree my friend...price hike boosts revenues...not necessarily profits hence shareholder values..any potential increase in share price will thus be more a matter of misinformation..ama "malinformation"(not enough info!!) Probable increas in profits is more likely if price hike is accompanied by increased demand,market share growth and reduced costs.

Let me cut on theories..

Fact
2008; Kenol revenues (per share) kshs914.01!!!..i need to repeat that.. 914.01!
Earnings per share..kshs 8.37 ??? a margin of less than 1%

For every sh 1 in revenue..final profit to share holder was less than 1 CENT!!!!!


Total Kenya revenues (per share) = kshs313.07
EPS... = kshs 4.02 margin of about 1%

2009; Kenol revenues kshs 656.99
EPS kshs8.80..margin of 1.3%

Total Revenues (per share...173,013,000) Kshs 238.77
EPS (on 173,013,000) = kshs2.79
margin of 1.16

this price hike is nothing to write home about... we've seen more severe ones in 2008-09 than these and they did not amount to much for shareholders..

only speculators and guys trading on behavioral patterns of retail investors should be excited.. after all.. how many guys buying today know how much kenol/total revenues translate into shareholder value..?
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mv_ufanisi
#18 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:11:16 AM
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This is a great stock - they can easily pass costs to consumers and they have sufficient moat. Oil companies make money as the oil prices go up as their existing inventory becomes more valuable. KenolKobil recently bought 600,000 barrels of crude. This is a company to watch.

Looking forward to the AGM later this month so they let us know about that 4.5 billion & the status of all the acquisitions being made.
ProverB
#19 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47:29 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
This is a great stock - they can easily pass costs to consumers and they have sufficient moat. Oil companies make money as the oil prices go up as their existing inventory becomes more valuable. KenolKobil recently bought 600,000 barrels of crude. This is a company to watch.

Looking forward to the AGM later this month so they let us know about that 4.5 billion & the status of all the acquisitions being made.


there is a thread here about fundamentals..differentiating hopes from what actually is on ground... question on this one is whether increase in pump prices will translate into shareholder wealth.. i do not think so... because similar hikes in previous years did no such thing. how much of that shs 2-5 at the pump will come into my pocket??

please note... rise in share price is mostly behavioral..on investor perception...not fundamental confirmation..
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winston
#20 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:34:44 PM
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What will stop Kenol/Kobil reserving the awarded/settlement cash (from KPC) and later using it to buy shares in KPC either before or after KPC IPO? That way shareholders will reap the benefits of dominant positions in the distribution network and the retail market at the same time!
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