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maka
#301 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2016 11:32:57 AM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Liv wrote:

13.177% is high being all net of tax.


Comes to around 12.83% Net...good returns


By net u mean this thing was being taxed?
Unatuchanganya sana.

Mara tax free,halafu sijui net.
Sad


Ulijibonda sana Wednesday....coupon is paid on the 100 and not on 93.52...with the that in mind what's your actual rate of return?


If I buy now at the secondary market will I get the coupon rate?


12% yes....
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Impunity
#302 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2016 12:09:19 PM
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maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Liv wrote:

13.177% is high being all net of tax.


Comes to around 12.83% Net...good returns


By net u mean this thing was being taxed?
Unatuchanganya sana.

Mara tax free,halafu sijui net.
Sad


Ulijibonda sana Wednesday....coupon is paid on the 100 and not on 93.52...with the that in mind what's your actual rate of return?


If I buy now at the secondary market will I get the coupon rate?


12% yes....


So those who missed the 'IPO " entry will only miss gains of 0.8% should they get in at the secondary market?
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maka
#303 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2016 2:31:26 PM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Liv wrote:

13.177% is high being all net of tax.


Comes to around 12.83% Net...good returns


By net u mean this thing was being taxed?
Unatuchanganya sana.

Mara tax free,halafu sijui net.
Sad


Ulijibonda sana Wednesday....coupon is paid on the 100 and not on 93.52...with the that in mind what's your actual rate of return?


If I buy now at the secondary market will I get the coupon rate?


12% yes....


So those who missed the 'IPO " entry will only miss gains of 0.8% should they get in at the secondary market?


You subtract from the price you got it at auction and actually that is your capital gain...bids proper will hit the market from Monday.
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Liv
#304 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2016 5:39:28 PM
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Any likelihood of tap sales? Those who missed can still get the bond if CBK decides to do additional sales at 13.177%.
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Impunity
#305 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2016 6:12:53 PM
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Liv wrote:
Any likelihood of tap sales? Those who missed can still get the bond if CBK decides to do additional sales at 13.177%.


Can tap sales occur this soon?
What are the average time lines for a tap sale,if at all it will be there?
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Chaka
#306 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:31:18 AM
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Just wondering as follows:
Lets just say that for the 30b bond,some loaded investors conspire and "rig" the auction(this should be possible in this era of groups)such that say for 20b,the bids are all at 15%.What would CBK do?Would it cancel that auction?
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Impunity
#307 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:41:16 PM
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Chaka wrote:
Just wondering as follows:
Lets just say that for the 30b bond,some loaded investors conspire and "rig" the auction(this should be possible in this era of groups)such that say for 20b,the bids are all at 15%.What would CBK do?Would it cancel that auction?


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shocks
#308 Posted : Sunday, October 23, 2016 10:42:35 PM
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Chaka wrote:
Just wondering as follows:
Lets just say that for the 30b bond,some loaded investors conspire and "rig" the auction(this should be possible in this era of groups)such that say for 20b,the bids are all at 15%.What would CBK do?Would it cancel that auction?

Can't answer what CBK would do, but thos has occured in USA and UK
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AndyC
#309 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:53:29 AM
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Tap sale is here. 10 billion on offer
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Angelica _ann
#310 Posted : Tuesday, October 25, 2016 8:59:59 AM
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AndyC wrote:
Tap sale is here. 10 billion on offer

In the tap sale does the interest automatically become 13.177% pa
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