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Swenani
#51 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:25:14 PM
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Let's close this thread by agreeing that no one is responsible for corruption in this country
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
kaka2za
#52 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:32:45 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Let's close this thread by agreeing that no one is responsible for corruption in this country



Can we all accept corruption as a way of life and stop wasting time and resources pretending to fight it?

All the money used to pay anti corruption units can be used to pay bribes for big tenders.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
AlphDoti
#53 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:37:49 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Let's close this thread by agreeing that no one is responsible for corruption in this country

Can we all accept corruption as a way of life and stop wasting time and resources pretending to fight it?

All the money used to pay anti corruption units can be used to pay bribes for big tenders.

We will only talk about it when RAO is in power... or someone else... For now, jipe shuguli

Angelica _ann
#54 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:40:05 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
jmbada wrote:
@Maka....weakest argument from you EVER. His argument is exactly what the Open Governance survey research yielded. Corruption is endemic in Kenya and EVERYONE has their part to play in STOPPING corruption. He cannot arrest, prosecute or even FIRE ANYONE. We fought for a Constitution with INDEPENDENT agencies for this very reason. The Auditor General needs to do his job, so does the DPP, the EACC, the Police and so forth. We cannot have a Constitution that requires independent institutions and then absolve each one these institutions of their responsibilities. The investigator needs to investigate, the prosecutor needs to successfully prosecute, the auditor needs to thoroughly audit, etc. That is NOT the President's job under the constitution, which we run to for shelter EVERY time we feel things are not going our way! However, the President, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CITIZEN, has a right to publicly call to account all those who are NOT doing their individual jobs.


Auditor General, DPP,EACC,IG,CJ,AG,CS etc.
Who has the final say in the appointment of the above office holders?

What does the constitution say about the removal of the above officeholders.

If you can answer the above, then you can guess who has responsibility for delivering.

We don't want stories, he said anakula nyama, can he pay the bill?

What is the use of boasting of tyranny of numbers when you cannot use the same for the common good of the tyranny.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
jmbada
#55 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:39:35 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
jmbada wrote:
@Maka....weakest argument from you EVER. His argument is exactly what the Open Governance survey research yielded. Corruption is endemic in Kenya and EVERYONE has their part to play in STOPPING corruption. He cannot arrest, prosecute or even FIRE ANYONE. We fought for a Constitution with INDEPENDENT agencies for this very reason. The Auditor General needs to do his job, so does the DPP, the EACC, the Police and so forth. We cannot have a Constitution that requires independent institutions and then absolve each one these institutions of their responsibilities. The investigator needs to investigate, the prosecutor needs to successfully prosecute, the auditor needs to thoroughly audit, etc. That is NOT the President's job under the constitution, which we run to for shelter EVERY time we feel things are not going our way! However, the President, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CITIZEN, has a right to publicly call to account all those who are NOT doing their individual jobs.


Auditor General, DPP,EACC,IG,CJ,AG,CS etc.
Who has the final say in the appointment of the above office holders?

What does the constitution say about the removal of the above officeholders.

If you can answer the above, then you can guess who has responsibility for delivering.

We don't want stories, he said anakula nyama, can he pay the bill?

President may have final say in appointment. But Parliament vets. If Parliament only forwards ONE candidate, Prezzo can only reject or accept (i.e. Rubberstamp). Once they have the job you CANNOT fire them. If you create ANY employment system in which the successful applicant can never be legally fired, you are GUARANTEED mediocre performance. It is human nature. If someone will get paid whether or not they do the job, the economically rational choice would be to NOT do the job, conserve your energy and focus on other revenue-generating activities. Only altruistic (look it up) inviduals would choos to deliver.
Angelica _ann
#56 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:47:57 PM
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jmbada wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
jmbada wrote:
@Maka....weakest argument from you EVER. His argument is exactly what the Open Governance survey research yielded. Corruption is endemic in Kenya and EVERYONE has their part to play in STOPPING corruption. He cannot arrest, prosecute or even FIRE ANYONE. We fought for a Constitution with INDEPENDENT agencies for this very reason. The Auditor General needs to do his job, so does the DPP, the EACC, the Police and so forth. We cannot have a Constitution that requires independent institutions and then absolve each one these institutions of their responsibilities. The investigator needs to investigate, the prosecutor needs to successfully prosecute, the auditor needs to thoroughly audit, etc. That is NOT the President's job under the constitution, which we run to for shelter EVERY time we feel things are not going our way! However, the President, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CITIZEN, has a right to publicly call to account all those who are NOT doing their individual jobs.


Auditor General, DPP,EACC,IG,CJ,AG,CS etc.
Who has the final say in the appointment of the above office holders?

What does the constitution say about the removal of the above officeholders.

If you can answer the above, then you can guess who has responsibility for delivering.

We don't want stories, he said anakula nyama, can he pay the bill?

President may have final say in appointment. But Parliament vets. If Parliament only forwards ONE candidate, Prezzo can only reject or accept (i.e. Rubberstamp). Once they have the job you CANNOT fire them. If you create ANY employment system in which the successful applicant can never be legally fired, you are GUARANTEED mediocre performance. It is human nature. If someone will get paid whether or not they do the job, the economically rational choice would be to NOT do the job, conserve your energy and focus on other revenue-generating activities. Only altruistic (look it up) inviduals would choos to deliver.

They can get fired if tyranny wanted through the same same parliament that approved them. Otherwise all is just incompetency hiding behind the constitutions.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
jmbada
#57 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 5:03:57 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
jmbada wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
jmbada wrote:
@Maka....weakest argument from you EVER. His argument is exactly what the Open Governance survey research yielded. Corruption is endemic in Kenya and EVERYONE has their part to play in STOPPING corruption. He cannot arrest, prosecute or even FIRE ANYONE. We fought for a Constitution with INDEPENDENT agencies for this very reason. The Auditor General needs to do his job, so does the DPP, the EACC, the Police and so forth. We cannot have a Constitution that requires independent institutions and then absolve each one these institutions of their responsibilities. The investigator needs to investigate, the prosecutor needs to successfully prosecute, the auditor needs to thoroughly audit, etc. That is NOT the President's job under the constitution, which we run to for shelter EVERY time we feel things are not going our way! However, the President, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CITIZEN, has a right to publicly call to account all those who are NOT doing their individual jobs.


Auditor General, DPP,EACC,IG,CJ,AG,CS etc.
Who has the final say in the appointment of the above office holders?

What does the constitution say about the removal of the above officeholders.

If you can answer the above, then you can guess who has responsibility for delivering.

We don't want stories, he said anakula nyama, can he pay the bill?

President may have final say in appointment. But Parliament vets. If Parliament only forwards ONE candidate, Prezzo can only reject or accept (i.e. Rubberstamp). Once they have the job you CANNOT fire them. If you create ANY employment system in which the successful applicant can never be legally fired, you are GUARANTEED mediocre performance. It is human nature. If someone will get paid whether or not they do the job, the economically rational choice would be to NOT do the job, conserve your energy and focus on other revenue-generating activities. Only altruistic (look it up) inviduals would choos to deliver.

They can get fired if tyranny wanted through the same same parliament that approved them. Otherwise all is just incompetency hiding behind the constitutions.

So we are un agreement. The failing individuals SHOULD be fired. But it is not Prezz who has failed. It is the peeps hired to do the job (i.e. execute policy).
murchr
#58 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 5:35:49 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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jmbada wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
jmbada wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
jmbada wrote:
@Maka....weakest argument from you EVER. His argument is exactly what the Open Governance survey research yielded. Corruption is endemic in Kenya and EVERYONE has their part to play in STOPPING corruption. He cannot arrest, prosecute or even FIRE ANYONE. We fought for a Constitution with INDEPENDENT agencies for this very reason. The Auditor General needs to do his job, so does the DPP, the EACC, the Police and so forth. We cannot have a Constitution that requires independent institutions and then absolve each one these institutions of their responsibilities. The investigator needs to investigate, the prosecutor needs to successfully prosecute, the auditor needs to thoroughly audit, etc. That is NOT the President's job under the constitution, which we run to for shelter EVERY time we feel things are not going our way! However, the President, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CITIZEN, has a right to publicly call to account all those who are NOT doing their individual jobs.


Auditor General, DPP,EACC,IG,CJ,AG,CS etc.
Who has the final say in the appointment of the above office holders?

What does the constitution say about the removal of the above officeholders.

If you can answer the above, then you can guess who has responsibility for delivering.

We don't want stories, he said anakula nyama, can he pay the bill?

President may have final say in appointment. But Parliament vets. If Parliament only forwards ONE candidate, Prezzo can only reject or accept (i.e. Rubberstamp). Once they have the job you CANNOT fire them. If you create ANY employment system in which the successful applicant can never be legally fired, you are GUARANTEED mediocre performance. It is human nature. If someone will get paid whether or not they do the job, the economically rational choice would be to NOT do the job, conserve your energy and focus on other revenue-generating activities. Only altruistic (look it up) inviduals would choos to deliver.

They can get fired if tyranny wanted through the same same parliament that approved them. Otherwise all is just incompetency hiding behind the constitutions.

So we are un agreement. The failing individuals SHOULD be fired. But it is not Prezz who has failed. It is the peeps hired to do the job (i.e. execute policy).


I thought we all agreed that this constitution is only beneficial to lawyers. Who else gets the best out of it? Its certainly is not Wanjiku
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Angelica _ann
#59 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:53:19 PM
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Enough with the excuses, mashujaa day njema na watu waendelee kukula nyama Sad Sad Sad
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
maka
#60 Posted : Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:58:55 PM
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Then let's continue eating properly...and get shafted.
possunt quia posse videntur
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