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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:As keyboard critiques keep typing away, let's see whether the share price will fall today, at day 103.. There comes a time to make money, my time is now. Just like before on HFCK, SBU, BoK, KCB.. Arrogantly I refer to myself as the ultimate insider You cannot ignore these faceless characters in wazua. No one is saying it will fall, with the deffered strike and presence of MJ in that meeting yesterday means alot.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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Spikes wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:KQ issue brought up by Alai at the accountability summit...He says Mbvui,Alex Mbugua,Jane Kiboi and any other person mentioned in the KPMG and Deloitte report should be in jail.. It is now public knowledge that these individuals were and are still overseeing mismanagement of the Company. In fact,if we had leaders in Kenya, then Mckinsey contract would have been renegotiated and asked to refund any excess payments made to them so far.  So far nothing achieved by Mckinsey that an average Kenyan can't do. Mediocre siphoning money out of KQ while management is enjoying kickbacks. Cost cutting and putting in place policies and procedures which are suppose to be done by the directors. If a serious CEO takes the mantle then their services will be terminated and directors/ managers tasked to do them.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,378 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Kenyan firms need to automate whatever services they can to reduce labor costs. That's the reality.
I watched a documentary of a US car manufacturing plant, in the US, where they hire "cheaper" labor (vs the old union pay scales) and the plant is highly automated. Some sections are fully automated i.e. robots do all the functions. The "humans" are involved in monitoring what the robots are doing.
One scene was really neat. The entire shell/body of the car is dipped in an anti-corrosive bath, to evenly coat the car's body, by a mechanical arm. The whole process didn't even take 30 secs!
As @murchr said, it will not be long until the need for "flight attendants" is reduced further. LCCs are increasing the use of "ordering" screens for food/drinks so no-one comes by to ask if you want to buy a soda or sandwich. Frankly, do you need a flight attendant to show you how to put on your seatbelt?
The 787s need only 2 pilots vs the 3 (pilots/engineers) that were present in older planes. Apparently, the plane can take off, fly and land using the on-board computer. Disruption is real. Kwanza these days flying is very easy and those airport jobs are going away very fast. The travel agency was disrupted by the likes of Kayak and Priceline etc. We book planes online. On booking you select your meal and print your tickets 24hrs before flying, you reserve your seat. You can pay to do this earlier. You can print boarding tickets online, or choose to print them from a kiosk at the checking hall. So the airport guy just verifys your ticket number against what is on the computer. Apart from the immigration guy, the other person you meet is the flight attendant and pilot welcoming you to the plane. As planes become more automated, the number of people required to check if you have tied your seatbelt will def go down. Pushing a cart and handing you what you ordered is not work. The only job they would have is to evacuate you from a plane if it was to have an accident. Trust me, FAA IATA and other regulators will soon meet lobbyist and some of these "requirements" will be revised. @ArrestedDev, the good thing with contract employees is when a company realizes that the wages next year will be unsustainable, they either do away with the expensive workers and bring in trainees or, minimize the workforce. I agree with both of you to large extent but it is still a long way to go. Even in developed countries it has not worked as earlier anticipated. Supermarket self check outs is an example, majority of the pensioners shun it totally as they are either not technology savvy or do not like it at all. Many "older" folk are not comfortable around computers. So what? Kenya's "younger" population grows by the day. It's a matter of time. If not When. Look at the filing of taxes using iTax and not manually.A big percentage of the airline sales still comes from the travel agencies. The booking engines have gained popularity but due to security issues, the uptake has slowed significantly. KQ for instance, do not allow booking from several booking websites as most does not meet the minimum security measures. Huh? KQ must be behind the curve! Expedia, Orbitz, etc sell more tickets than KQ. In fact they all sell KQ. Sometimes, at cheaper prices than KQ's own website. The major "online travel agents" are doing OK. If anything, there is a lot of competition.The human beings at the airport checking your ticket, visa and health card will be there for years to come, thanks to terrorism. Computers might be harder to compromise/bribe vs humans. Let's be honest, do the cops where cars are inspected at JKIA take bribes? I have seen 50/- changing hands many times. Are you saying those who bribe can't get visas on arrival? Same for "health cards" or anything else.Use of autopilot sometimes is restricted by faults and manual piloting is necessary. Infact, the fly by wire has received its share of criticism that it is compromising the quality of pilots leading to a surge in accidents. AF 447 for instance, the two young pilots at the cockpit failed to control it totally. Wasn't the Douala plane piloted by an experienced pilot?Trainees alone wont get the job done. Experience in aviation is very key. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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http://www.businessdaily...21042-8qlftpz/index.htmlWealth is built through a relatively simple equation
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,378 Location: Nairobi
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smusyimi wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Kenyan firms need to automate whatever services they can to reduce labor costs. That's the reality.
I watched a documentary of a US car manufacturing plant, in the US, where they hire "cheaper" labor (vs the old union pay scales) and the plant is highly automated. Some sections are fully automated i.e. robots do all the functions. The "humans" are involved in monitoring what the robots are doing.
One scene was really neat. The entire shell/body of the car is dipped in an anti-corrosive bath, to evenly coat the car's body, by a mechanical arm. The whole process didn't even take 30 secs!
As @murchr said, it will not be long until the need for "flight attendants" is reduced further. LCCs are increasing the use of "ordering" screens for food/drinks so no-one comes by to ask if you want to buy a soda or sandwich. Frankly, do you need a flight attendant to show you how to put on your seatbelt?
The 787s need only 2 pilots vs the 3 (pilots/engineers) that were present in older planes. Apparently, the plane can take off, fly and land using the on-board computer. Disruption is real. 787 pilot requirements depends on the distance to be flown. If long haul then two not enough. Where human beings are being processed such as aviation, the employee factor cannot be ignored. It's a matter of time before "human staff" are reduced for such functions. Drones are airplanes flown by a combination of computers and humans. As are planes. In 10 years, the "West" will probably have driverless cars. In 25 years, perhaps planes? Or just one pilot in the plane with another on the ground manning 3-4 planes? Will there be crashes? Yes. Will computers be blamed? Yes. Have humans ever crashed planes? Yes. The main function of cabin crew is safety and security and , arming each aircraft door, an extension of the Pilot in Command in the cabin. second is service . so whoever is calling for automation of the job is misinformed. Once upon a time car doors needed to be locked/unlocked one at a time. I recall the days when there were conductors on trains [in the UK] to open/close doors. Now it's automated. Yes, there will be some humans needed BUT automation will make many "unskilled" functions irrelevant. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Kenyan firms need to automate whatever services they can to reduce labor costs. That's the reality.
I watched a documentary of a US car manufacturing plant, in the US, where they hire "cheaper" labor (vs the old union pay scales) and the plant is highly automated. Some sections are fully automated i.e. robots do all the functions. The "humans" are involved in monitoring what the robots are doing.
One scene was really neat. The entire shell/body of the car is dipped in an anti-corrosive bath, to evenly coat the car's body, by a mechanical arm. The whole process didn't even take 30 secs!
As @murchr said, it will not be long until the need for "flight attendants" is reduced further. LCCs are increasing the use of "ordering" screens for food/drinks so no-one comes by to ask if you want to buy a soda or sandwich. Frankly, do you need a flight attendant to show you how to put on your seatbelt?
The 787s need only 2 pilots vs the 3 (pilots/engineers) that were present in older planes. Apparently, the plane can take off, fly and land using the on-board computer. Disruption is real. Kwanza these days flying is very easy and those airport jobs are going away very fast. The travel agency was disrupted by the likes of Kayak and Priceline etc. We book planes online. On booking you select your meal and print your tickets 24hrs before flying, you reserve your seat. You can pay to do this earlier. You can print boarding tickets online, or choose to print them from a kiosk at the checking hall. So the airport guy just verifys your ticket number against what is on the computer. Apart from the immigration guy, the other person you meet is the flight attendant and pilot welcoming you to the plane. As planes become more automated, the number of people required to check if you have tied your seatbelt will def go down. Pushing a cart and handing you what you ordered is not work. The only job they would have is to evacuate you from a plane if it was to have an accident. Trust me, FAA IATA and other regulators will soon meet lobbyist and some of these "requirements" will be revised. @ArrestedDev, the good thing with contract employees is when a company realizes that the wages next year will be unsustainable, they either do away with the expensive workers and bring in trainees or, minimize the workforce. I agree with both of you to large extent but it is still a long way to go. Even in developed countries it has not worked as earlier anticipated. Supermarket self check outs is an example, majority of the pensioners shun it totally as they are either not technology savvy or do not like it at all. Many "older" folk are not comfortable around computers. So what? Kenya's "younger" population grows by the day. It's a matter of time. If not When. Look at the filing of taxes using iTax and not manually. A large percentage of the "younger" does not afford to fly. Even tourists flying in, most of them are pensioners from the developed countries.
A big percentage of the airline sales still comes from the travel agencies. The booking engines have gained popularity but due to security issues, the uptake has slowed significantly. KQ for instance, do not allow booking from several booking websites as most does not meet the minimum security measures.
Huh? KQ must be behind the curve! Expedia, Orbitz, etc sell more tickets than KQ. In fact they all sell KQ. Sometimes, at cheaper prices than KQ's own website. The major "online travel agents" are doing OK. If anything, there is a lot of competition.. Bricks and mortar travel agents still account for a large percentage of the airline industry sales in almost all the continents. There is no doubt about it.
The human beings at the airport checking your ticket, visa and health card will be there for years to come, thanks to terrorism. Computers might be harder to compromise/bribe vs humans. Let's be honest, do the cops where cars are inspected at JKIA take bribes? I have seen 50/- changing hands many times. Are you saying those who bribe can't get visas on arrival? Same for "health cards" or anything else. Security screening inside the airport, immigration and pre-boarding checks will continue to be handled by human beings. No shortcut, leave alone the police manning the gates at JKIA with the corruption menace in Kenya. It is a national disaster.
Use of autopilot sometimes is restricted by faults and manual piloting is necessary. Infact, the fly by wire has received its share of criticism that it is compromising the quality of pilots leading to a surge in accidents. AF 447 for instance, the two young pilots at the cockpit failed to control it totally.
Wasn't the Douala plane piloted by an experienced pilot? [color=orange]Do not make reference to the Douala crash. There are alot of theories on how this accident actually happened.Relatives of some victims of the accident brought a suit against Boeing as they believed the aircraft was faulty, the rudder had issues. Some claim the systems were accessed remotely and hence the reason why the auto pilot was not engaging at all. It is still unexplained until now. Trainees alone wont get the job done. Experience in aviation is very key.
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Ericsson wrote:http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Emirates-says-may-cut-Africa-flights/539550-3421042-8qlftpz/index.html Emirates can drop Abuja but when KQ does the same it's called mismanagement COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Emirates-says-may-cut-Africa-flights/539550-3421042-8qlftpz/index.html Emirates can drop Abuja but when KQ does the same it's called mismanagement They haven't arrive at a decision to suspend as you purport to put it. Do not compare KQ with Emirates. In fact if Emirates drops the route then KQ should take the advantage of it. The backbone of KQ's operations is in Africa, every route must be evaluated very carefully based on the correct information. Mismanagement is taking place under Ngunze, it is not a secret any more unless you are ignorant of the truth. The quality of his decisions is questionable.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,321 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Emirates-says-may-cut-Africa-flights/539550-3421042-8qlftpz/index.html Emirates can drop Abuja but when KQ does the same it's called mismanagement They haven't arrive at a decision to suspend as you purport to put it. Do not compare KQ with Emirates. In fact if Emirates drops the route then KQ should take the advantage of it. The backbone of KQ's operations is in Africa, every route must be evaluated very carefully based on the correct information. Mismanagement is taking place under Ngunze, it is not a secret any more unless you are ignorant of the truth. The quality of his decisions is questionable. Both are airlines. Everyone with Internet knows what is happening in Nigeria. The country is in recession and outflow of forex is crippling. Btw, questioning of authority without reasonable cause is frowned upon even in the Holy Books. Meanwhile KQ touched KES 5 today.. No respite in the upwards break out COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
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VituVingiSana wrote:smusyimi wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Kenyan firms need to automate whatever services they can to reduce labor costs. That's the reality.
I watched a documentary of a US car manufacturing plant, in the US, where they hire "cheaper" labor (vs the old union pay scales) and the plant is highly automated. Some sections are fully automated i.e. robots do all the functions. The "humans" are involved in monitoring what the robots are doing.
One scene was really neat. The entire shell/body of the car is dipped in an anti-corrosive bath, to evenly coat the car's body, by a mechanical arm. The whole process didn't even take 30 secs!
As @murchr said, it will not be long until the need for "flight attendants" is reduced further. LCCs are increasing the use of "ordering" screens for food/drinks so no-one comes by to ask if you want to buy a soda or sandwich. Frankly, do you need a flight attendant to show you how to put on your seatbelt?
The 787s need only 2 pilots vs the 3 (pilots/engineers) that were present in older planes. Apparently, the plane can take off, fly and land using the on-board computer. Disruption is real. 787 pilot requirements depends on the distance to be flown. If long haul then two not enough. Where human beings are being processed such as aviation, the employee factor cannot be ignored. It's a matter of time before "human staff" are reduced for such functions. Drones are airplanes flown by a combination of computers and humans. As are planes. In 10 years, the "West" will probably have driverless cars. In 25 years, perhaps planes? Or just one pilot in the plane with another on the ground manning 3-4 planes? Will there be crashes? Yes. Will computers be blamed? Yes. Have humans ever crashed planes? Yes. The main function of cabin crew is safety and security and , arming each aircraft door, an extension of the Pilot in Command in the cabin. second is service . so whoever is calling for automation of the job is misinformed. Once upon a time car doors needed to be locked/unlocked one at a time. I recall the days when there were conductors on trains [in the UK] to open/close doors. Now it's automated. Yes, there will be some humans needed BUT automation will make many "unskilled" functions irrelevant.  Its amazing some people are still disputing the rise of automation in 2016. If we were stuck in time, a majority of you would be Chandlers - candle stick makers, people who molded wax to make candles. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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