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alma1 wrote:There was someone on this forum who said the majority of wazua users are employees. This thread is proof of that.
Maghafuli is the CEO of the country and he was elected with the mandate of changing how things are done. He also declared if anything goes wrong, its his fault.
Now imagine the owner of a business, the telephone farmer who doesn't go to his farm because ati he's got his farm manager taking care of things. When he goes to the farm, he finds that the cow is sick. He then decides that since he has "checks and balances", he'll leave the sick cow to the manager. With a written warning since he has to follow another "procedure".
Who owns a business here and pretends that they don't care about what's going on?
Yes, on my chicken farm, I tend to know when gumboro is supposed to be administered and even do it together with the farm hands when I can. That is not micro management, that is good management.
There is a problem with Tanzania and he's trying to fix it.
His record is clear for everyone to see.
Just take a trip between Nairobi and Arusha.
Compare the road from Kitengela to Namamga and the road from Namanga to Arusha...Look at the roads he did when he was minister. Not a single pot hole. He used to go the roads with a stake then order the constructor to redo a huge section at their expense.
You will keep quiet and let the guy do what he thinks is best.
You should be busy deciding whom between Kidero and Sonko you should elect. That's the best we can do here. Wachaneni na wao na micro management.
I wonder what this MBA is worth anymore in this country. It seems as long as you can pay the fees, you get the piece of paper. Its good as a business owner to follow up stuff, but I think if you have employed people to take care of certain aspects of your business, it becomes absurd when you go around doing what you employed them to do, imagine Atul Shah going around the cashier counters at nakumatt confirming the collections, checking if all the products are being scanned and stuff, I mean you have a branch manager to do that, give them targets and let them give you reports which you act on. In this case a report showing how many cars go through, the number scanned, the time frames involved, e.t.c would be a better indicator of efficiency, discuss the same at cabinet level, task the minister and his technocrats to do what they are employed to do, not going to scare junior employees, I mean for those employees, just talking to the head of state is a big occasion, now add to it that they have to explain some processes that were put in place by the minister and the technocrats and it becomes a daunting task. Just imagine (steve jobs) going to foxconn, and on the production line asking some ka hungry guy why the production line is moving in an anti-clockwise direction and not in a clockwise direction.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:@alma has said it all. You see Kenyans are doomed. They focus outside even when their own house is in a mess to a point where people like Sonko stand on public address speak whatever they want about Presidency... and they brush it off saying: "It was just a huge dose of comic relief.."  ni wewe wa kuTake offence ama ni Uhuru? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:alma1 wrote:There was someone on this forum who said the majority of wazua users are employees. This thread is proof of that.
Maghafuli is the CEO of the country and he was elected with the mandate of changing how things are done. He also declared if anything goes wrong, its his fault.
Now imagine the owner of a business, the telephone farmer who doesn't go to his farm because ati he's got his farm manager taking care of things. When he goes to the farm, he finds that the cow is sick. He then decides that since he has "checks and balances", he'll leave the sick cow to the manager. With a written warning since he has to follow another "procedure".
Who owns a business here and pretends that they don't care about what's going on?
Yes, on my chicken farm, I tend to know when gumboro is supposed to be administered and even do it together with the farm hands when I can. That is not micro management, that is good management.
There is a problem with Tanzania and he's trying to fix it.
His record is clear for everyone to see.
Just take a trip between Nairobi and Arusha.
Compare the road from Kitengela to Namamga and the road from Namanga to Arusha...Look at the roads he did when he was minister. Not a single pot hole. He used to go the roads with a stake then order the constructor to redo a huge section at their expense.
You will keep quiet and let the guy do what he thinks is best.
You should be busy deciding whom between Kidero and Sonko you should elect. That's the best we can do here. Wachaneni na wao na micro management.
I wonder what this MBA is worth anymore in this country. It seems as long as you can pay the fees, you get the piece of paper. Its good as a business owner to follow up stuff, but I think if you have employed people to take care of certain aspects of your business, it becomes absurd when you go around doing what you employed them to do, imagine Atul Shah going around the cashier counters at nakumatt confirming the collections, checking if all the products are being scanned and stuff, I mean you have a branch manager to do that, give them targets and let them give you reports which you act on. In this case a report showing how many cars go through, the number scanned, the time frames involved, e.t.c would be a better indicator of efficiency, discuss the same at cabinet level, task the minister and his technocrats to do what they are employed to do, not going to scare junior employees, I mean for those employees, just talking to the head of state is a big occasion, now add to it that they have to explain some processes that were put in place by the minister and the technocrats and it becomes a daunting task. Just imagine (steve jobs) going to foxconn, and on the production line asking some ka hungry guy why the production line is moving in an anti-clockwise direction and not in a clockwise direction. Good argument Sitaki but you are making an assumption here that is invalid. That Kenyan gov't or Tanzanian gov't is run like Apple. It isn't the case and everyone knows it. In fact, that is the reason he was elected. Because Tanzania gov't is not run efficiently. I know for a fact that Steve Jobs would fire you if he found you not working on a project. Please read his autobiographies and if you can't read, watch the movie Jobs. Yes, he was right in the middle of creating code and fighting with his employees. I know Kenyan MBA's are taught that their work is to get a car loan, sit in the office and read papers. but I've worked for fortune 500 companies and dare you not work on your turf when the CEO is passing by. You are given armed escort out of the office hapo hapo. Are you suggesting that if Uhuru when doing one of his tours in these projects should just shut up when he sees a glaring ommision in the running of the system? Maybe he should write a letter, call the CS and have the CS write another letter confirming that what he saw was really not what he saw. Maybe he should leave his annoyance to the 2pm gang. Let Itumbi issue another pastors moment and blame Raila for it. No. In my view, as he was doing his national duty as president, he discovered a glaring anomaly. Instead of waiting for a report, he decided to deal with it insitu. Try running those bureaucratic processes you love so much in Kenya at an American company. Utashangaa. The problem in TZ is right there for you to see. Even when the President is taking a walk, these fellows can't even hide that they aren't doing their work. What do you want him to do? Shut up and go back to state house? That's not management, that's Kenyan MBA stuff. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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@alma no prob the president doing his rounds but his confrontational nature especially towards junior staff is unnerving, I mean hata jobs used to shika his engineers hard, but as the example I gave he would not go to the guys implementing the designs at say foxconn and start arguing with production line employees, because if issues are at the implementation part then the design level is kaput.
Hata our uk if he went on his sgr tour and then started arguing with the welders on why they have to wait sijui for the cylinders to pass through sikui where, I would find that absurd.
I think there are levels he should address this, and the pros for doing that would be that the process would be sorted for good, I mean if goes around patting his minister and cs backs while firing guys who are just implementing what his cabinet has put in place, then that is crazy management.
I mean this president is literary arguing with employees very low on the hierarchical order, and on tv, and the worst thing is that this has happened before and I believe within the same ministry and the minister is still around, thats crazy management at least the way I see it.
Of course as a leader it is always prudent to keep your ears on the ground, because even your senior employees can take you for a ride, but I think processes and order are vital in any organization, especially for continuity.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:@alma no prob the president doing his rounds but his confrontational nature especially towards junior staff is unnerving, I mean hata jobs used to shika his engineers hard, but as the example I gave he would not go to the guys implementing the designs at say foxconn and start arguing with production line employees, because if issues are at the implementation part then the design level is kaput.
Hata our uk if he went on his sgr tour and then started arguing with the welders on why they have to wait sijui for the cylinders to pass through sikui where, I would find that absurd.
I think there are levels he should address this, and the pros for doing that would be that the process would be sorted for good, I mean if goes around patting his minister and cs backs while firing guys who are just implementing what his cabinet has put in place, then that is crazy management.
I mean this president is literary arguing with employees very low on the hierarchical order, and on tv, and the worst thing is that this has happened before and I believe within the same ministry and the minister is still around, thats crazy management at least the way I see it.
Of course as a leader it is always prudent to keep your ears on the ground, because even your senior employees can take you for a ride, but I think processes and order are vital in any organization, especially for continuity. We shall agree to disagree. There are different types of management. Ask Safcom employees about Michael Joseph. If there is a crisis, getting a nice guy just won't work. There was a crisis in TZ. Right now, the only people who are complaining in TZ are 1. Former crooks in that former president's regime 2. Lazy gov't officials 3. Kenyans There was a time in TZ where a few Kenyan shillings in hongo would get you very far. Please try any hongo in a gov't office in TZ right now. Jaribu tu. Hapa Kenya we are still making speeches and retweeting Maghufuli movies. That is why he was elected. Rid gov't offices of corruption and lazy officers. If that means there's collateral damage to junior welders who are feeling wamedharualiwa, so be it. You need to understand why you are hiring a CEO. He was hired precisely because Tanzanians were tired of corruption. That was the campaign theme and its still the campaign theme. Hapa Kazi Tu. Now look at yourself and ask why you hired Uhuru to be president. That is his JD. I know some hired him to get rid of Raila, so they are happy. Some hired him to not to to the Hague, so they are happy. Those that hired him to get rid of corruption, well, let them tell you how they feel. Hapa TZ we are happy. Everyone is paying taxes. Everyone..No hongo in Gov't and that annoying bureaucracy that was a Tanzanian gov't office is slowly disappearing. He's doing the job he was elected to do. Sasa, kazi ya Sonko ama Kidero, ilikuwa nini ama ni nini? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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alma1 wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:@alma no prob the president doing his rounds but his confrontational nature especially towards junior staff is unnerving, I mean hata jobs used to shika his engineers hard, but as the example I gave he would not go to the guys implementing the designs at say foxconn and start arguing with production line employees, because if issues are at the implementation part then the design level is kaput.
Hata our uk if he went on his sgr tour and then started arguing with the welders on why they have to wait sijui for the cylinders to pass through sikui where, I would find that absurd.
I think there are levels he should address this, and the pros for doing that would be that the process would be sorted for good, I mean if goes around patting his minister and cs backs while firing guys who are just implementing what his cabinet has put in place, then that is crazy management.
I mean this president is literary arguing with employees very low on the hierarchical order, and on tv, and the worst thing is that this has happened before and I believe within the same ministry and the minister is still around, thats crazy management at least the way I see it.
Of course as a leader it is always prudent to keep your ears on the ground, because even your senior employees can take you for a ride, but I think processes and order are vital in any organization, especially for continuity. We shall agree to disagree. There are different types of management. Ask Safcom employees about Michael Joseph.If there is a crisis, getting a nice guy just won't work. There was a crisis in TZ. Right now, the only people who are complaining in TZ are 1. Former crooks in that former president's regime 2. Lazy gov't officials 3. Kenyans There was a time in TZ where a few Kenyan shillings in hongo would get you very far. Please try any hongo in a gov't office in TZ right now. Jaribu tu. Hapa Kenya we are still making speeches and retweeting Maghufuli movies. That is why he was elected. Rid gov't offices of corruption and lazy officers. If that means there's collateral damage to junior welders who are feeling wamedharualiwa, so be it. You need to understand why you are hiring a CEO. He was hired precisely because Tanzanians were tired of corruption. That was the campaign theme and its still the campaign theme. Hapa Kazi Tu. Now look at yourself and ask why you hired Uhuru to be president. That is his JD. I know some hired him to get rid of Raila, so they are happy. Some hired him to not to to the Hague, so they are happy. Those that hired him to get rid of corruption, well, let them tell you how they feel. Hapa TZ we are happy. Everyone is paying taxes. Everyone..No hongo in Gov't and that annoying bureaucracy that was a Tanzanian gov't office is slowly disappearing. He's doing the job he was elected to do. Sasa, kazi ya Sonko ama Kidero, ilikuwa nini ama ni nini? Boss. Don't presume things or just pass hearsay on; I am familiar with the workings of MJ (and Collymore, as someone had also intimated earlier). Michael Joseph is tough but his style is not similar to Magufuli's show of berating junior employees. He would on occasion walk to sites in crisis but he always sought to understand the root cause, and the person accountable. Important difference. Some choice words might be thrown in, but it was always Heads of Departments who got a kick in the nuts. And while MJ would show flashes of anger in public at incompetence, BC is as cool as a mountain stream, until the incompetent party is shown into the inner sanctum; Then the knives come out. Senior Managers let go from Safaricom will tell you that Collymore's manner of speaking calmly doesn't mean you are off the hook.
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I've a TZ friend. He says "everything is under control my friend... no deal at all... you have to work so as to get money... no shortcut at all! And we love it as wananchi. Sijui kwanini watu wa nchi zingine wanalalamika na hapa tunaona mabadiliko mazuri kwa huduma za serikali..."
He tells me the prezo is leading by example!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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AlphDoti wrote:I've a TZ friend. He says "everything is under control my friend... no deal at all... you have to work so as to get money... no shortcut at all! And we love it as wananchi. Sijui kwanini watu wa nchi zingine wanalalamika na hapa tunaona mabadiliko mazuri kwa huduma za serikali..."
He tells me the prezo is leading by example! I speak from experience. I wonder what these fellows who don't know where namanga is located are smoking. Just because he doesn't see eye to eye with beloved President Uhuru does not mean that he's taking his people to hell. I'm there right now as we speak. I've just shown the Kenyans and Tanzanians on the table here the topic. Everyone is laughing. Ati Maghufuli management style. Goddamit this is the only country in East Africa where corrupt officials are in jail. Not running to be governor. I can only hope that next time he carries a bakora in these corrupt offices. If any still remain. As I drink my konyagi I hope that another video is released where he abuses some other corrupt fellow on YouTube. We love it here. Nyinyi kaeni huko with people can call themselves presidents at a funeral and corruption kings running for elective posts. Don't forget to wake up at 4am to vote for them too. Hapa Kazi Tu. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:alma1 wrote:There was someone on this forum who said the majority of wazua users are employees. This thread is proof of that.
Maghafuli is the CEO of the country and he was elected with the mandate of changing how things are done. He also declared if anything goes wrong, its his fault.
Now imagine the owner of a business, the telephone farmer who doesn't go to his farm because ati he's got his farm manager taking care of things. When he goes to the farm, he finds that the cow is sick. He then decides that since he has "checks and balances", he'll leave the sick cow to the manager. With a written warning since he has to follow another "procedure".
Who owns a business here and pretends that they don't care about what's going on?
Yes, on my chicken farm, I tend to know when gumboro is supposed to be administered and even do it together with the farm hands when I can. That is not micro management, that is good management.
There is a problem with Tanzania and he's trying to fix it.
His record is clear for everyone to see.
Just take a trip between Nairobi and Arusha.
Compare the road from Kitengela to Namamga and the road from Namanga to Arusha...Look at the roads he did when he was minister. Not a single pot hole. He used to go the roads with a stake then order the constructor to redo a huge section at their expense.
You will keep quiet and let the guy do what he thinks is best.
You should be busy deciding whom between Kidero and Sonko you should elect. That's the best we can do here. Wachaneni na wao na micro management.
I wonder what this MBA is worth anymore in this country. It seems as long as you can pay the fees, you get the piece of paper. Its good as a business owner to follow up stuff, but I think if you have employed people to take care of certain aspects of your business, it becomes absurd when you go around doing what you employed them to do, imagine Atul Shah going around the cashier counters at nakumatt confirming the collections, checking if all the products are being scanned and stuff, I mean you have a branch manager to do that, give them targets and let them give you reports which you act on. In this case a report showing how many cars go through, the number scanned, the time frames involved, e.t.c would be a better indicator of efficiency, discuss the same at cabinet level, task the minister and his technocrats to do what they are employed to do, not going to scare junior employees, I mean for those employees, just talking to the head of state is a big occasion, now add to it that they have to explain some processes that were put in place by the minister and the technocrats and it becomes a daunting task. Just imagine (steve jobs) going to foxconn, and on the production line asking some ka hungry guy why the production line is moving in an anti-clockwise direction and not in a clockwise direction. Steve Jobs was one maniacal micromanager and a dictator he only reformed in last years. Please check online on how steve Jobs was running meetings and you will think Magafuli is an angel. Jobs went into his research lab shutting down the AppleII until he found the guy working on the Mackintosh. Steve Jobs and the "No Asshole Rule: Be a jerk"
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wukan wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:alma1 wrote:There was someone on this forum who said the majority of wazua users are employees. This thread is proof of that.
Maghafuli is the CEO of the country and he was elected with the mandate of changing how things are done. He also declared if anything goes wrong, its his fault.
Now imagine the owner of a business, the telephone farmer who doesn't go to his farm because ati he's got his farm manager taking care of things. When he goes to the farm, he finds that the cow is sick. He then decides that since he has "checks and balances", he'll leave the sick cow to the manager. With a written warning since he has to follow another "procedure".
Who owns a business here and pretends that they don't care about what's going on?
Yes, on my chicken farm, I tend to know when gumboro is supposed to be administered and even do it together with the farm hands when I can. That is not micro management, that is good management.
There is a problem with Tanzania and he's trying to fix it.
His record is clear for everyone to see.
Just take a trip between Nairobi and Arusha.
Compare the road from Kitengela to Namamga and the road from Namanga to Arusha...Look at the roads he did when he was minister. Not a single pot hole. He used to go the roads with a stake then order the constructor to redo a huge section at their expense.
You will keep quiet and let the guy do what he thinks is best.
You should be busy deciding whom between Kidero and Sonko you should elect. That's the best we can do here. Wachaneni na wao na micro management.
I wonder what this MBA is worth anymore in this country. It seems as long as you can pay the fees, you get the piece of paper. Its good as a business owner to follow up stuff, but I think if you have employed people to take care of certain aspects of your business, it becomes absurd when you go around doing what you employed them to do, imagine Atul Shah going around the cashier counters at nakumatt confirming the collections, checking if all the products are being scanned and stuff, I mean you have a branch manager to do that, give them targets and let them give you reports which you act on. In this case a report showing how many cars go through, the number scanned, the time frames involved, e.t.c would be a better indicator of efficiency, discuss the same at cabinet level, task the minister and his technocrats to do what they are employed to do, not going to scare junior employees, I mean for those employees, just talking to the head of state is a big occasion, now add to it that they have to explain some processes that were put in place by the minister and the technocrats and it becomes a daunting task. Just imagine (steve jobs) going to foxconn, and on the production line asking some ka hungry guy why the production line is moving in an anti-clockwise direction and not in a clockwise direction. Steve Jobs was one maniacal micromanager and a dictator he only reformed in last years. Please check online on how steve Jobs was running meetings and you will think Magafuli is an angel. Jobs went into his research lab shutting down the AppleII until he found the guy working on the Mackintosh. Now we are getting there, its not only Steve Jobs, all successful managers are generally hands on maniacs who will ride your arse if you are not performing. If you want CEO's who follow protocal, look no further than the Mbuzi Ngunze's of this world "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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