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Impunity wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:My very good friend has been given an awesome offer by Qatar...interesting thing is he turned it down till manenos stabilise at KQ The offer is good on paper. Your friend took the best decision. Cost of living is very high, very hot, shifts at crazy hours, visa and so many other restrictions,etc. Substandtiate the above with real life figures. I am speaking from a knowledge point. Even world class health care is not there in Qatar in public hospitals where Qatar Airways employees are expected to go for treatment, they are trying to develop it but they lack professionals. The work load is crazy due to the massive expansion. Check numbeo, it gives a clue of what you expect. If you like alcohol then you need a licence from the employer and you buy a limited no. of bottles from a single distributor. Alcohol testing especially on Monday morning carried out without notice. Restrictions ni kibao. https://www.numbeo.com/c...Kenya&country2=Qatar
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Kenyan firms need to automate whatever services they can to reduce labor costs. That's the reality.
I watched a documentary of a US car manufacturing plant, in the US, where they hire "cheaper" labor (vs the old union pay scales) and the plant is highly automated. Some sections are fully automated i.e. robots do all the functions. The "humans" are involved in monitoring what the robots are doing.
One scene was really neat. The entire shell/body of the car is dipped in an anti-corrosive bath, to evenly coat the car's body, by a mechanical arm. The whole process didn't even take 30 secs!
As @murchr said, it will not be long until the need for "flight attendants" is reduced further. LCCs are increasing the use of "ordering" screens for food/drinks so no-one comes by to ask if you want to buy a soda or sandwich. Frankly, do you need a flight attendant to show you how to put on your seatbelt?
The 787s need only 2 pilots vs the 3 (pilots/engineers) that were present in older planes. Apparently, the plane can take off, fly and land using the on-board computer. Disruption is real. 787 pilot requirements depends on the distance to be flown. If long haul then two not enough. Where human beings are being processed such as aviation, the employee factor cannot be ignored.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,371 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Kenyan firms need to automate whatever services they can to reduce labor costs. That's the reality.
I watched a documentary of a US car manufacturing plant, in the US, where they hire "cheaper" labor (vs the old union pay scales) and the plant is highly automated. Some sections are fully automated i.e. robots do all the functions. The "humans" are involved in monitoring what the robots are doing.
One scene was really neat. The entire shell/body of the car is dipped in an anti-corrosive bath, to evenly coat the car's body, by a mechanical arm. The whole process didn't even take 30 secs!
As @murchr said, it will not be long until the need for "flight attendants" is reduced further. LCCs are increasing the use of "ordering" screens for food/drinks so no-one comes by to ask if you want to buy a soda or sandwich. Frankly, do you need a flight attendant to show you how to put on your seatbelt?
The 787s need only 2 pilots vs the 3 (pilots/engineers) that were present in older planes. Apparently, the plane can take off, fly and land using the on-board computer. Disruption is real. 787 pilot requirements depends on the distance to be flown. If long haul then two not enough. Where human beings are being processed such as aviation, the employee factor cannot be ignored. It's a matter of time before "human staff" are reduced for such functions. Drones are airplanes flown by a combination of computers and humans. As are planes. In 10 years, the "West" will probably have driverless cars. In 25 years, perhaps planes? Or just one pilot in the plane with another on the ground manning 3-4 planes? Will there be crashes? Yes. Will computers be blamed? Yes. Have humans ever crashed planes? Yes. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana wrote:Kenyan firms need to automate whatever services they can to reduce labor costs. That's the reality.
I watched a documentary of a US car manufacturing plant, in the US, where they hire "cheaper" labor (vs the old union pay scales) and the plant is highly automated. Some sections are fully automated i.e. robots do all the functions. The "humans" are involved in monitoring what the robots are doing.
One scene was really neat. The entire shell/body of the car is dipped in an anti-corrosive bath, to evenly coat the car's body, by a mechanical arm. The whole process didn't even take 30 secs!
As @murchr said, it will not be long until the need for "flight attendants" is reduced further. LCCs are increasing the use of "ordering" screens for food/drinks so no-one comes by to ask if you want to buy a soda or sandwich. Frankly, do you need a flight attendant to show you how to put on your seatbelt?
The 787s need only 2 pilots vs the 3 (pilots/engineers) that were present in older planes. Apparently, the plane can take off, fly and land using the on-board computer. Disruption is real. Kwanza these days flying is very easy and those airport jobs are going away very fast. The travel agency was disrupted by the likes of Kayak and Priceline etc. We book planes online. On booking you select your meal and print your tickets 24hrs before flying, you reserve your seat. You can pay to do this earlier. You can print boarding tickets online, or choose to print them from a kiosk at the checking hall. So the airport guy just verifys your ticket number against what is on the computer. Apart from the immigration guy, the other person you meet is the flight attendant and pilot welcoming you to the plane. As planes become more automated, the number of people required to check if you have tied your seatbelt will def go down. Pushing a cart and handing you what you ordered is not work. The only job they would have is to evacuate you from a plane if it was to have an accident. Trust me, FAA IATA and other regulators will soon meet lobbyist and some of these "requirements" will be revised. @ArrestedDev, the good thing with contract employees is when a company realizes that the wages next year will be unsustainable, they either do away with the expensive workers and bring in trainees or, minimize the workforce. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,371 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:Impunity wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:My very good friend has been given an awesome offer by Qatar...interesting thing is he turned it down till manenos stabilise at KQ The offer is good on paper. Your friend took the best decision. Cost of living is very high, very hot, shifts at crazy hours, visa and so many other restrictions,etc. Substandtiate the above with real life figures. I am speaking from a knowledge point. Even world class health care is not there in Qatar in public hospitals where Qatar Airways employees are expected to go for treatment, they are trying to develop it but they lack professionals. The work load is crazy due to the massive expansion. Check numbeo, it gives a clue of what you expect. If you like alcohol then you need a licence from the employer and you buy a limited no. of bottles from a single distributor. Alcohol testing especially on Monday morning carried out without notice. Restrictions ni kibao. https://www.numbeo.com/c...enya&country2=Qatar[/quote] I think testing folks who work on planes or fly them for inebriation on a Monday (or any day) when they are headed to work is a good thing! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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ArrestedDev wrote:Impunity wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:My very good friend has been given an awesome offer by Qatar...interesting thing is he turned it down till manenos stabilise at KQ The offer is good on paper. Your friend took the best decision. Cost of living is very high, very hot, shifts at crazy hours, visa and so many other restrictions,etc. Substandtiate the above with real life figures. I am speaking from a knowledge point. Even world class health care is not there in Qatar in public hospitals where Qatar Airways employees are expected to go for treatment, they are trying to develop it but they lack professionals. The work load is crazy due to the massive expansion. Check numbeo, it gives a clue of what you expect. If you like alcohol then you need a licence from the employer and you buy a limited no. of bottles from a single distributor. Alcohol testing especially on Monday morning carried out without notice. Restrictions ni kibao. https://www.numbeo.com/c...enya&country2=Qatar
So anybody can EDIT the numbeo site? Did ypur friend talk with a friend already residing there ama he used this @numbeo site to make his decision? Thanks. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 4/11/2016 Posts: 30 Location: Nairobi
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Strike may not happen tomorrow. KALPA willing to give gava time to restructure board and management. So strike delayed to a later date.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 4/11/2016 Posts: 30 Location: Nairobi
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@Obiero you may ease your finger of the sell button for now.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Kenyan firms need to automate whatever services they can to reduce labor costs. That's the reality.
I watched a documentary of a US car manufacturing plant, in the US, where they hire "cheaper" labor (vs the old union pay scales) and the plant is highly automated. Some sections are fully automated i.e. robots do all the functions. The "humans" are involved in monitoring what the robots are doing.
One scene was really neat. The entire shell/body of the car is dipped in an anti-corrosive bath, to evenly coat the car's body, by a mechanical arm. The whole process didn't even take 30 secs!
As @murchr said, it will not be long until the need for "flight attendants" is reduced further. LCCs are increasing the use of "ordering" screens for food/drinks so no-one comes by to ask if you want to buy a soda or sandwich. Frankly, do you need a flight attendant to show you how to put on your seatbelt?
The 787s need only 2 pilots vs the 3 (pilots/engineers) that were present in older planes. Apparently, the plane can take off, fly and land using the on-board computer. Disruption is real. Kwanza these days flying is very easy and those airport jobs are going away very fast. The travel agency was disrupted by the likes of Kayak and Priceline etc. We book planes online. On booking you select your meal and print your tickets 24hrs before flying, you reserve your seat. You can pay to do this earlier. You can print boarding tickets online, or choose to print them from a kiosk at the checking hall. So the airport guy just verifys your ticket number against what is on the computer. Apart from the immigration guy, the other person you meet is the flight attendant and pilot welcoming you to the plane. As planes become more automated, the number of people required to check if you have tied your seatbelt will def go down. Pushing a cart and handing you what you ordered is not work. The only job they would have is to evacuate you from a plane if it was to have an accident. Trust me, FAA IATA and other regulators will soon meet lobbyist and some of these "requirements" will be revised. @ArrestedDev, the good thing with contract employees is when a company realizes that the wages next year will be unsustainable, they either do away with the expensive workers and bring in trainees or, minimize the workforce. I agree with both of you to large extent but it is still a long way to go. Even in developed countries it has not worked as earlier anticipated. Supermarket self check outs is an example, majority of the pensioners shun it totally as they are either not technology savvy or do not like it at all. A big percentage of the airline sales still comes from the travel agencies. The booking engines have gained popularity but due to security issues, the uptake has slowed significantly. KQ for instance, do not allow booking from several booking websites as most does not meet the minimum security measures. The human beings at the airport checking your ticket, visa and health card will be there for years to come, thanks to terrorism. Use of autopilot sometimes is restricted by faults and manual piloting is necessary. Infact, the fly by wire has received its share of criticism that it is compromising the quality of pilots leading to a surge in accidents. AF 447 for instance, the two young pilots at the cockpit failed to control it totally. Trainees alone wont get the job done. Experience in aviation is very key.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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nzalela wrote:
Strike may not happen tomorrow. KALPA willing to give gava time to restructure board and management. So strike delayed to a later date.
A big relief but all thing points to the departure of Ngunze.
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