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sparkly
#661 Posted : Saturday, October 15, 2016 1:43:34 PM
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obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
KES 14.35 PBT, dividend KES 0.75



Is it from exchange bar?

Indeed



Thanks bro.

No growth?

That's over 50% year on year.. Even dividend is up 0.15 cents


DPS 0.75 is impossible
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Spikes
#662 Posted : Saturday, October 15, 2016 2:12:28 PM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
KES 14.35 PBT, dividend KES 0.75



Is it from exchange bar?

Indeed



Thanks bro.

No growth?

That's over 50% year on year.. Even dividend is up 0.15 cents


DPS 0.75 is impossible



Why impossible when FY EPS is more than twice 0.75 kes?
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
mkate_nusu
#663 Posted : Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:24:38 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
KES 14.35 PBT, dividend KES 0.75



Is it from exchange bar?

Indeed



Thanks bro.

No growth?

That's over 50% year on year.. Even dividend is up 0.15 cents


When will the results be made public?.Anything we hear is just rumours untill we get the company official results.


@Ebenyo very true. No need discussing rumors. We await CEO Mugo official announcement
KEGN, KPLC, KQ, SCOM
sparkly
#664 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:24:53 AM
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Spikes wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
KES 14.35 PBT, dividend KES 0.75



Is it from exchange bar?

Indeed



Thanks bro.

No growth?

That's over 50% year on year.. Even dividend is up 0.15 cents


DPS 0.75 is impossible



Why impossible when FY EPS is more than twice 0.75 kes?


1. Need for capital
2. Historically low dividend payout
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Ericsson
#665 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:53:26 AM
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Dividend at 75 cents per share means the company is paying out a total of sh.5bn as dividend
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
MadDoc
#666 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:29:57 AM
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Is power imports from Ethiopia a viable idea? Considering, Ethiopia and the northern part of Kenya are relatively unstable. The infrastructure isn't fully developed too.
To sum it all up, would we risk importing CHEAP power through unstable underdeveloped regions?
sparkly
#667 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:08:04 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Dividend at 75 cents per share means the company is paying out a total of sh.5bn as dividend


A very huge jump from the 1.2B the company pays.

I think they will pay DPS around 0.30
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guru267
#668 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:13:16 PM
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MadDoc wrote:
Is power imports from Ethiopia a viable idea? Considering, Ethiopia and the northern part of Kenya are relatively unstable. The infrastructure isn't fully developed too.
To sum it all up, would we risk importing CHEAP power through unstable underdeveloped regions?


This has nothing really to do with Kengen..
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Deuteronomy 4:16
obiero
#669 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:33:55 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Dividend at 75 cents per share means the company is paying out a total of sh.5bn as dividend


A very huge jump from the 1.2B the company pays.

I think they will pay DPS around 0.30

How much was paid last year

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
Ericsson
#670 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:58:30 PM
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Last year they paid a total of sh. 1.4bn in dividends
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
MadDoc
#671 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:47:34 PM
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guru267 wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
Is power imports from Ethiopia a viable idea? Considering, Ethiopia and the northern part of Kenya are relatively unstable. The infrastructure isn't fully developed too.
To sum it all up, would we risk importing CHEAP power through unstable underdeveloped regions?


This has nothing really to do with Kengen..


Doesn't Kengen sell power to KPLC?
Doesn't importing cheap hydro power hurt Kengen growth prospects?

I'm looking at the viability of importing cheap power from Ethiopia. That's all.
obiero
#672 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 7:16:08 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Last year they paid a total of sh. 1.4bn in dividends

Dividend per share obtained at the bar doesn't factor recent rights.. Adjust for the same at total payout of KES 1.75B

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
Ericsson
#673 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 7:21:58 PM
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@Obiero
That falls in the prediction of 30-35 cents
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
sparkly
#674 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:22:03 PM
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MadDoc wrote:
guru267 wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
Is power imports from Ethiopia a viable idea? Considering, Ethiopia and the northern part of Kenya are relatively unstable. The infrastructure isn't fully developed too.
To sum it all up, would we risk importing CHEAP power through unstable underdeveloped regions?


This has nothing really to do with Kengen..


Doesn't Kengen sell power to KPLC?
Doesn't importing cheap hydro power hurt Kengen growth prospects?

I'm looking at the viability of importing cheap power from Ethiopia. That's all.


Kengen will be exporting power in 5 years.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Spikes
#675 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:18:25 PM
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http://www.thinkgeoenerg...al-development-in-kenya/
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
guru267
#676 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:52:46 PM
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Just had a dream that Kengen 2016 PAT will be down from last year Sad
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
MadDoc
#677 Posted : Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:20:29 PM
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sparkly wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
guru267 wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
Is power imports from Ethiopia a viable idea? Considering, Ethiopia and the northern part of Kenya are relatively unstable. The infrastructure isn't fully developed too.
To sum it all up, would we risk importing CHEAP power through unstable underdeveloped regions?


This has nothing really to do with Kengen..


Doesn't Kengen sell power to KPLC?
Doesn't importing cheap hydro power hurt Kengen growth prospects?

I'm looking at the viability of importing cheap power from Ethiopia. That's all.


Kengen will be exporting power in 5 years.


The Grand Renaissance dam is due for completion next year. N it has a capacity of 6000mw. Even if the dam takes 7 years to fill, Ketraco is building high voltage transmission lines to Ethiopia.
Ethiopia,s threat can't be underestimated.
In 10 years, Kengen may be laden with debts.
I was for Kengen but the future doesn't look rosy
watesh
#678 Posted : Monday, October 17, 2016 12:03:00 AM
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MadDoc wrote:
sparkly wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
guru267 wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
Is power imports from Ethiopia a viable idea? Considering, Ethiopia and the northern part of Kenya are relatively unstable. The infrastructure isn't fully developed too.
To sum it all up, would we risk importing CHEAP power through unstable underdeveloped regions?


This has nothing really to do with Kengen..


Doesn't Kengen sell power to KPLC?
Doesn't importing cheap hydro power hurt Kengen growth prospects?

I'm looking at the viability of importing cheap power from Ethiopia. That's all.


Kengen will be exporting power in 5 years.


The Grand Renaissance dam is due for completion next year. N it has a capacity of 6000mw. Even if the dam takes 7 years to fill, Ketraco is building high voltage transmission lines to Ethiopia.
Ethiopia,s threat can't be underestimated.
In 10 years, Kengen may be laden with debts.
I was for Kengen but the future doesn't look rosy

But 6000MW is such a small amount of power assuming it will run at full capacity...Egypt alone needs over 30,000MW of power, so if Ethiopia is to get to that level and try to take over a bunch of industries from China that power wont be enough. Ethiopia has a huge population (100m+) with current demand of electricity sitting at 2300MW with just less than 30% electricity penetration. Another thing is that dam is already causing conflict with Egypt cause of water shortages, the main life line for Egypt.
Kengen still has a strong future since Kenya Power will buy all the power and send it to Tanzania or Uganda. New high voltage line to Tanzania is being planned to be constructed. If Tz wont be a**holes at any point, its a win for Kengen.
enyands
#679 Posted : Monday, October 17, 2016 12:10:58 AM
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watesh wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
sparkly wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
guru267 wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
Is power imports from Ethiopia a viable idea? Considering, Ethiopia and the northern part of Kenya are relatively unstable. The infrastructure isn't fully developed too.
To sum it all up, would we risk importing CHEAP power through unstable underdeveloped regions?


This has nothing really to do with Kengen..


Doesn't Kengen sell power to KPLC?
Doesn't importing cheap hydro power hurt Kengen growth prospects?

I'm looking at the viability of importing cheap power from Ethiopia. That's all.


Kengen will be exporting power in 5 years.


The Grand Renaissance dam is due for completion next year. N it has a capacity of 6000mw. Even if the dam takes 7 years to fill, Ketraco is building high voltage transmission lines to Ethiopia.
Ethiopia,s threat can't be underestimated.
In 10 years, Kengen may be laden with debts.
I was for Kengen but the future doesn't look rosy

But 6000MW is such a small amount of power assuming it will run at full capacity...Egypt alone needs over 30,000MW of power, so if Ethiopia is to get to that level and try to take over a bunch of industries from China that power wont be enough. Ethiopia has a huge population (100m+) with current demand of electricity sitting at 2300MW with just less than 30% electricity penetration. Another thing is that dam is already causing conflict with Egypt cause of water shortages, the main life line for Egypt.
Kengen still has a strong future since Kenya Power will buy all the power and send it to Tanzania or Uganda. New high voltage line to Tanzania is being planned to be constructed. If Tz wont be a**holes at any point, its a win for Kengen.


Nice points but tz will always and remain assholes
VituVingiSana
#680 Posted : Monday, October 17, 2016 12:28:47 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
watesh wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
sparkly wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
guru267 wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
Is power imports from Ethiopia a viable idea? Considering, Ethiopia and the northern part of Kenya are relatively unstable. The infrastructure isn't fully developed too.
To sum it all up, would we risk importing CHEAP power through unstable underdeveloped regions?


This has nothing really to do with Kengen..


Doesn't Kengen sell power to KPLC?
Doesn't importing cheap hydro power hurt Kengen growth prospects?

I'm looking at the viability of importing cheap power from Ethiopia. That's all.


Kengen will be exporting power in 5 years.


The Grand Renaissance dam is due for completion next year. N it has a capacity of 6000mw. Even if the dam takes 7 years to fill, Ketraco is building high voltage transmission lines to Ethiopia.
Ethiopia,s threat can't be underestimated.
In 10 years, Kengen may be laden with debts.
I was for Kengen but the future doesn't look rosy

But 6000MW is such a small amount of power assuming it will run at full capacity...Egypt alone needs over 30,000MW of power, so if Ethiopia is to get to that level and try to take over a bunch of industries from China that power wont be enough. Ethiopia has a huge population (100m+) with current demand of electricity sitting at 2300MW with just less than 30% electricity penetration. Another thing is that dam is already causing conflict with Egypt cause of water shortages, the main life line for Egypt.
Kengen still has a strong future since Kenya Power will buy all the power and send it to Tanzania or Uganda. New high voltage line to Tanzania is being planned to be constructed. If Tz wont be a**holes at any point, its a win for Kengen.


FOCUS!!! Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Stick to the low-hanging fruit.

1) It's highly unlikely that Ethiopia can in the medium-term get to Egypt's level of manufacturing. Plenty of "excess" to export.
2) Ethiopia has the Gibe Dam(s) which could supply Kenya.
3) No-one gives a crap about the outdated Nile Treaty that favors Egypt. They can't invade Ethiopia. Let them try. Heck, even UG is building dams on the White Nile. Even Kenya wants to exploit the rivers feeding into L. Victoria.
4) The Egyptians need to practice family planning - China style.
5) UG will be self-sufficient in the medium (5-yr) term with new dams coming online.
6) TZ can also be self-sufficient in the medium (10 years) term with new LNG plants. Plus they have some good hydro potential.

KenGen's primary market remains KENYA. Exports for KenGen will not be a huge % of their sales.
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