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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...
Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.
So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America. I agree...  let me ask - if an Omondi/Garang/Mutesa/Karume/Tedese/Abdi/Chinedu/Bwalya/Kagame/Zulu/ e.t.c would have said the same - ungeBadili nia? Nope. Singebadili. Even us kenyans when we talk about our history we never talk about those we found here (e.g. the Athi, Gumba, dorobo etc) and "conquered" after we arrived from Congo forest and Sudan. We even claim to be the original humans and take tourists to see fossils of our ancestors and our prehistoric sites huko Turkana, olduvai and Kariandusi. When kaleos from North Rift talk about their history they never mention the Uasin Kishu maasai whose land they are occupying. i get it... i really do! but just because there is no one to complain on their behalf does not mean we should not complain on our behalf. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...
Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.
So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America. I agree... let me ask - if an Omondi/Garang/Mutesa/Karume/Tedese/Abdi/Chinedu/Bwalya/Kagame/Zulu/ e.t.c would have said the same - ungeBadili nia? Nope. Singebadili. Even us kenyans when we talk about our history we never talk about those we found here (e.g. the Athi, Gumba, dorobo etc) and "conquered" after we arrived from Congo forest and Sudan. We even claim to be the original humans and take tourists to see fossils of our ancestors and our prehistoric sites huko Turkana, olduvai and Kariandusi. When kaleos from North Rift talk about their history they never mention the Uasin Kishu maasai whose land they are occupying. i get it... i really do! but just because there is no one to complain on their behalf does not mean we should not complain on our behalf. Infact the kaleos never conquered the maasai land, rather they were beneficiaries of the maasai/British land treaties. C&P The Uasin Gishu name comes from the Illwuasin-kishu Maasai clan. The land was the grazing area of the clan. They surrendered the land to the colonial government in the Anglo-Maasai agreement of 1911, and were subsequently pushed towards Trans Mara. The plateau that they once occupied was then registered in its Anglicised version, Uasin Gishu.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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It's all about who has more "firepower". The bigger the gun, spear, arrow poison, the more dominant you are.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:It's all about who has more "firepower". The bigger the gun, spear, arrow poison, the more dominant you are. it USED TO BE all about... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:It's all about who has more "firepower". The bigger the gun, spear, arrow poison, the more dominant you are. it USED TO BE all about... Google 'birth of a nation 2016' a new movie on a slave who decided enough is enough and met fire with fire slaughtered trumps of then. Story was never told until now. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:It's all about who has more "firepower". The bigger the gun, spear, arrow poison, the more dominant you are. it USED TO BE all about... Google 'birth of a nation 2016' a new movie on a slave who decided enough is enough and met fire with fire slaughtered trumps of then. Story was never told until now.   All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Are we now turning against ourselves! Isn't Nairobi where you are originally Maasai land?
I mean, this is not the issue here, Africans were mainly "migrational"... it's our continent, the boundaries were not drawn by African but the colonialists... Who knows we could be living freely anywhere in Africa... different times different places...
But all that is gone.
Our task now is to learn from history, create new core leaders, visionary leaders. As the journalist Kwesi Pratt Junior said: Leaders who want to see Africa free, leaders who want to help Africans to develop confidence in themselves, in their culture, in the food they eat, in the way they dress, in the way they walk, in the way they talk.. Leaders who want to encourage Africans to take control of their resources. We need to engineer those new leaders. That is the task.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:Are we now turning against ourselves! Isn't Nairobi where you are originally Maasai land?
I mean, this is not the issue here, Africans were mainly "migrational"... it's our continent, the boundaries were not drawn by African but the colonialists... Who knows we could be living freely anywhere in Africa... different times different places...
But all that is gone.
Our task now is to learn from history, create new core leaders, visionary leaders. As the journalist Kwesi Pratt Junior said: Leaders who want to see Africa free, leaders who want to help Africans to develop confidence in themselves, in their culture, in the food they eat, in the way they dress, in the way they walk, in the way they talk.. Leaders who want to encourage Africans to take control of their resources. We need to engineer those new leaders. That is the task. I came across some curious territories Ceuta and Melilla, the two permanently inhabited Spanish territories in mainland Africa Ceuta  and Melilla  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Are we now turning against ourselves! Isn't Nairobi where you are originally Maasai land?
I mean, this is not the issue here, Africans were mainly "migrational"... it's our continent, the boundaries were not drawn by African but the colonialists... Who knows we could be living freely anywhere in Africa... different times different places...
But all that is gone.
Our task now is to learn from history, create new core leaders, visionary leaders. As the journalist Kwesi Pratt Junior said: Leaders who want to see Africa free, leaders who want to help Africans to develop confidence in themselves, in their culture, in the food they eat, in the way they dress, in the way they walk, in the way they talk.. Leaders who want to encourage Africans to take control of their resources. We need to engineer those new leaders. That is the task. I came across some curious territories Ceuta and Melilla, the two permanently inhabited Spanish territories in mainland Africa Ceuta and Melilla Tell us more about this. I noticed the two are in Spain, so what if it is permanently inhabited Spanish territories?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Are we now turning against ourselves! Isn't Nairobi where you are originally Maasai land?
I mean, this is not the issue here, Africans were mainly "migrational"... it's our continent, the boundaries were not drawn by African but the colonialists... Who knows we could be living freely anywhere in Africa... different times different places...
But all that is gone.
Our task now is to learn from history, create new core leaders, visionary leaders. As the journalist Kwesi Pratt Junior said: Leaders who want to see Africa free, leaders who want to help Africans to develop confidence in themselves, in their culture, in the food they eat, in the way they dress, in the way they walk, in the way they talk.. Leaders who want to encourage Africans to take control of their resources. We need to engineer those new leaders. That is the task. I came across some curious territories Ceuta and Melilla, the two permanently inhabited Spanish territories in mainland Africa Ceuta and Melilla Tell us more about this. I noticed the two are in Spain, so what if it is permanently inhabited Spanish territories? Basically it's as the name suggests.... SPAIN IS IN AFRICA (some bit of it anyway). All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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