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tycho
#51 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 1:29:52 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
@tycho, I think you're trying to chew too big a bite. You must bit what you can chew. it's baby steps bro. First educate, educate. Make the African understand his history first...


And in this 'education' you believe you have the necessary facts that gives you the burden to educate.

I realize that there are probably many here who'd prefer to feel like they are doing the public a favor by expressing their opinions without them being probed; and that their best defense is to attack @tycho to distract from the main course of argument. And these same tactics are carried out in the name of 'mass education'.



AlphDoti
#52 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 3:46:09 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@tycho, I think you're trying to chew too big a bite. You must bit what you can chew. it's baby steps bro. First educate, educate. Make the African understand his history first...

And in this 'education' you believe you have the necessary facts that gives you the burden to educate.

I realize that there are probably many here who'd prefer to feel like they are doing the public a favor by expressing their opinions without them being probed; and that their best defense is to attack @tycho to distract from the main course of argument. And these same tactics are carried out in the name of 'mass education'.

Yes, those are facts. Have you seen anything we have posted that is fiction?
AlphDoti
#53 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 3:52:07 PM
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@tycho does not like history... Anyhow, let us move back to the land called Africa.

After Christopher Columbus and occupation of America, they knew that their own people, their own population could not do the work necessary to build up that country. They needed another workforce...

And so along with the British, and the Dutch, and the French, and the Spanish, the Americans Concocted a deal. They said: let's make boats, whiskey and guns and we can barter and trade and we can go to Africa and take those dark skin, black heathen, put them in boats, bring them to Europe, to America in what was called the triangle trade.

And so for 400 years, they willfully trafficked human cargo, and they took from Africa 180,000,000 (180M) people. Like dogs and rats, putting them in the bottom of ships, and keeping them there for 3 or 4 months for that triangle trade to complete.
hardwood
#54 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 3:55:13 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
If anyone dares and study what has happened to these Aboriginals (and people of Congo and negroid at large) you'll cry if you have any feelings inside of you.

On the Aboriginal, how many of them were displaced? Whooping 16,000,000 (16M). What is the definition of that? And what was that definition before Uncle Sam president changed the meaning in the last 3 decades? TERRORISM


Shouldn't we also cry for the Englishmen who were invaded and enslaved by the Romans in 43AD?

or the Scots, welsh and Irish who were conquered by the english and are still annexed to england (as Britain/UK) upto to today?

Or the vikings pillaging western and eastern europe in the middle ages.

Or the europeans eg Spanish, Portuguese etc who were invaded and taken as slaves by the Ottoman arabs during the Ottoman empire?

Or the polish, slovaks, dutch who were massacred and occupied by germans?

Or the Koreans who were invaded and colonized by the japanese?

Or the Chinese who underwent terrible massacres and mistreatment by the japanese?

Or the original peoples of the Caribbean eg the Arawak, Taino who were massacred and then "hard working" Africans shipped to their land as slaves, and the freed Africans later took their land eg in jamaica, haiti etc?

Or the jews who were massacred by the germans as recently as less than 100yrs ago?

Or the 60m europeans who were killed in WWII?

Also Jews vs Palestinians in the recent past?

My point is that humans have been brutal throughout history and so we cant say that "negroids" as you call them have suffered more than any other race. Also just like europeans (whites) and asians (browns), Africans (blacks) are not one homogeneous people and we have had our share of african tribal wars just like there have been brutal wars among european and asian tribes (they prefer to call them nations not tribes). FYI the largest source of african slaves was from african tribal wars where the defeated and captured individuals were sold off by the victorious african tribal chiefs to European slave merchants.
AlphDoti
#55 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 4:04:10 PM
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@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...

Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.

So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America.
masukuma
#56 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 4:13:27 PM
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hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
If anyone dares and study what has happened to these Aboriginals (and people of Congo and negroid at large) you'll cry if you have any feelings inside of you.

On the Aboriginal, how many of them were displaced? Whooping 16,000,000 (16M). What is the definition of that? And what was that definition before Uncle Sam president changed the meaning in the last 3 decades? TERRORISM


Shouldn't we also cry for the Englishmen who were invaded and enslaved by the Romans in 43AD?

or the Scots, welsh and Irish who were conquered by the english and are still annexed to england (as Britain/UK) upto to today?

Or the vikings pillaging western and eastern europe in the middle ages.

Or the europeans eg Spanish, Portuguese etc who were invaded and taken as slaves by the Ottoman arabs during the Ottoman empire?

Or the polish, slovaks, dutch who were massacred and occupied by germans?

Or the Koreans who were invaded and colonized by the japanese?

Or the Chinese who underwent terrible massacres and mistreatment by the japanese?

Or the original peoples of the Caribbean eg the Arawak, Taino who were massacred and then "hard working" Africans shipped to their land as slaves, and the freed Africans later took their land eg in jamaica, haiti etc?

Or the jews who were massacred by the germans as recently as less than 100yrs ago?

Or the 60m europeans who were killed in WWII?

Also Jews vs Palestinians in the recent past?

My point is that humans have been brutal throughout history and so we cant say that "negroids" as you call them have suffered more than any other race. Also just like europeans (whites) and asians (browns), Africans (blacks) are not one homogeneous people and we have had our share of african tribal wars just like there have been brutal wars among european and asian tribes (they prefer to call them nations not tribes). FYI the largest source of african slaves was from african tribal wars where the defeated and captured individuals were sold off by the victorious african tribal chiefs to European slave merchants.

it's really true... I said here before - humans were very brutish in times gone by. Humans have been killing each other over the place.... the difference is that you don't hear jews rubbishing their killing. or Chinese justifying the killing of their population by Japanese or the Scot/Irish e.t.c. justifying the killings of their kin by the english men. What we hear is the annoying sounds of uncle toms whose kin were killed justifying the killings of their masters and justifying the resulting economic inequality and rigged game that resulted from that killing. And even if others didn't complain - your pain is your own. your fate is your own. We don't need to have others agree with us on our past so that it can be legitimate NO!! your troubles are not a democracy.... they are yours.
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hardwood
#57 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 4:41:31 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...

Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.

So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America.


I agree...

masukuma
#58 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 4:48:10 PM
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hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...

Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.

So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America.


I agree...


let me ask - if an Omondi/Garang/Mutesa/Karume/Tedese/Abdi/Chinedu/Bwalya/Kagame/Zulu/ e.t.c would have said the same - ungeBadili nia?
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AlphDoti
#59 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 5:23:51 PM
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Please listen to this man...
hardwood
#60 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 7:21:28 PM
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masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hardwood, is this about who has suffered more? Of course not. Others might have suffered, yes, maybe even much more, we sympathize and condemn the same. Their story has been told. I'm just re-telling our story...

Look here: 23 out of 100 of those slaves inside the ship would survive. So they made sure that the cost of those 23 slaves would pay for the whole shipment! Where did the other 77 slaves wind up? In the graveyard of the Atlantic Ocean.

So you take 70% of 180M over 400 years and they are all there in the bottom of the Atlantic. Cool 126 M! The other 23% were put in between Caribbean and America.


I agree...


let me ask - if an Omondi/Garang/Mutesa/Karume/Tedese/Abdi/Chinedu/Bwalya/Kagame/Zulu/ e.t.c would have said the same - ungeBadili nia?

Nope. Singebadili. Even us kenyans when we talk about our history we never talk about those we found here and "conquered" (e.g. the Athi, Gumba, dorobo etc) and after we arrived from Congo forest and Sudan. We even claim to be the original humans and take tourists to see fossils of "our ancestors" and also our prehistoric sites huko Turkana, olduvai and Kariandusi. When kaleos from North Rift talk about their history they never mention the Uasin Kishu maasai whose land they are occupying.
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