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masukuma
#41 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 6:06:08 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:

I mean crying hovyo, hovyo. And breaking your leg while running away from a "ghost" on the road. And taking people's money when they sent you by mistake on Mpesa. How is that raising a responsible man? To me this is raising a mjambazi

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly as usual - i don't need to explain myself to you. I don't just do things because others expect me to. hata sijui hiyo story ya kulia " hovyo, hovyo" ilitoka wapi... but if it makes you happy - continue believing that i cry "hovyo, hovyo". The ghost thing was in good humor <-- you must be fun at parties... you explaining the obvious. I am guessing you also believe my car can speak to me in kyuk. On Kurudisha pesa.... hapo hakuna sori... guilty as charged - someone must remind society that a fool and his money are soon parted....
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AlphDoti
#42 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 6:19:10 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

I mean crying hovyo, hovyo. And breaking your leg while running away from a "ghost" on the road. And taking people's money when they sent you by mistake on Mpesa. How is that raising a responsible man? To me this is raising a mjambazi

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly as usual - i don't need to explain myself to you. I don't just do things because others expect me to. hata sijui hiyo story ya kulia " hovyo, hovyo" ilitoka wapi... but if it makes you happy - continue believing that i cry "hovyo, hovyo". The ghost thing was in good humor <-- you must be fun at parties... you explaining the obvious. I am guessing you also believe my car can speak to me in kyuk. On Kurudisha pesa.... hapo hakuna sori... guilty as charged - someone must remind society that a fool and his money are soon parted....

That's my point exactly. Contradictions in your life... Responsibility and taking somebody's money sent by mistake!
masukuma wrote:
...Males and Men are not synonymous. Men make Men... Men are not weeds. No. 1 thing about being a man is RESPONSIBILITY. That is our culture... dodging that breeds irresponsible men and I agree - Men respond to Respect but that is not the only thing they respond to... it's primary but not the only thing
masukuma
#43 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 6:21:34 PM
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@alph - actually - the very things I say i will do to spare my life are exactly the things most of you will do to spare yours... I am just courageous enough to admit it!! umelala ndani mara ngapi sababu ya "kujua rights zako"? or fighting for your rights? if not - you are just a brave keyboard warrior.
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AlphDoti
#44 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 6:28:39 PM
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masukuma wrote:
@alph - actually - the very things I say i will do to spare my life are exactly the things most of you will do to spare yours... I am just courageous enough to admit it!! umelala ndani mara ngapi sababu ya "kujua rights zako"? or fighting for your rights? if not - you are just a brave keyboard warrior.

How is taking somebody money who sent you by mistake "being responsible"? Is this what you plan to teach your son to be a man? If this is how you were raised, please do not pass this trait to your son. That's not being a man... being a man is not necessarily all about physique. It's character.
masukuma
#45 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 6:30:00 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:

I mean crying hovyo, hovyo. And breaking your leg while running away from a "ghost" on the road. And taking people's money when they sent you by mistake on Mpesa. How is that raising a responsible man? To me this is raising a mjambazi

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly as usual - i don't need to explain myself to you. I don't just do things because others expect me to. hata sijui hiyo story ya kulia " hovyo, hovyo" ilitoka wapi... but if it makes you happy - continue believing that i cry "hovyo, hovyo". The ghost thing was in good humor <-- you must be fun at parties... you explaining the obvious. I am guessing you also believe my car can speak to me in kyuk. On Kurudisha pesa.... hapo hakuna sori... guilty as charged - someone must remind society that a fool and his money are soon parted....

That's my point exactly. Contradictions in your life... Responsibility and taking somebody's money sent by mistake!
masukuma wrote:
...Males and Men are not synonymous. Men make Men... Men are not weeds. No. 1 thing about being a man is RESPONSIBILITY. That is our culture... dodging that breeds irresponsible men and I agree - Men respond to Respect but that is not the only thing they respond to... it's primary but not the only thing

yeah... sioni conflict... irresponsibility is not doing what is my duty... not correcting other people's mistakes - hiyo inaitwa charity... you need to appeal to my good side for you to get that. Taking care of my family <-- that is responsility. Doing a job i have signed to do <--- responsibility. Doing things for others outside that circle.. .CHARITY....
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Kusadikika
#46 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 7:54:26 PM
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Teaching your children. People use this phrase very often and the assumption is that it is a good thing. What does it mean, to teach your children?? How would you do it??
AlphDoti
#47 Posted : Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:14:47 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Teaching your children. People use this phrase very often and the assumption is that it is a good thing. What does it mean, to teach your children?? How would you do it??

If we take just the boy & girl category of children, then you realize they are different: physically different, psychologically different. Because of this difference, you would teach all everything about life: work, ethics, morals, health, hygiene etc then based on their difference, you teach each one specifics about themselves for example when it comes to teenage each have their own unique challenges. Then also because of physical difference, each one of them is more suited (not necessarily exclusive) to some roles which he or she can excel better than the other, for example the woman will learn about being a good mother and the man how to be a good father. Difference roles does not mean discrimination, rather it means doing what you do better and when combined it produces the better whole. So teach female how to be a good woman, and the male how to be a good man.
AlphDoti
#48 Posted : Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:28:51 AM
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So give an example, although I taught both the boy and the girl to work, i also made it clear to the boy that yes your sister can do, but if there is something heavy and you are there, then you should take it yourself. For example: assume there are loads outside in the car, a 25kg bag of rice, 10kg bag of sugar, etc... If i sent my son and my daughter to go fetch the items, and let's say by chance my son reached the car first and picked the 10kg bag, that leaves my daughter with 25kg bag... if my son came and said yeah this is equality, then I would slap him on the face! Given the situation, he is supposed to pick the heavier load. Common sense: he has bigger muscles. My daughter can compensate by doing something else e.g. help my wife to set the table. This is equity, sharing of roles.

Another example: If you want to slaughter a bull, you would better ask the son to come and help you put down the bull. It is common sense that your daughter is better suited to do something else away from the bull...

So this is how you teach your kids.
masukuma
#49 Posted : Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:34:31 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Teaching your children. People use this phrase very often and the assumption is that it is a good thing. What does it mean, to teach your children?? How would you do it??

If we take just the boy & girl category of children, then you realize they are different: physically different, psychologically different. Because of this difference, you would teach all everything about life: work, ethics, morals, health, hygiene etc then based on their difference, you teach each one specifics about themselves for example when it comes to teenage each have their own unique challenges. Then also because of physical difference, each one of them is more suited (not necessarily exclusive) to some roles which he or she can excel better than the other, for example the woman will learn about being a good mother and the man how to be a good father. Difference roles does not mean discrimination, rather it means doing what you do better and when combined it produces the better whole. So teach female how to be a good woman, and the male how to be a good man.

that's the crux of the matter isn't it? What a "good man" and what makes "good woman"? as Mdomo baggy asks "himself and ask other selves what constitutes a hundred percent female being what is a good woman?"
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
AlphDoti
#50 Posted : Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:45:13 AM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Teaching your children. People use this phrase very often and the assumption is that it is a good thing. What does it mean, to teach your children?? How would you do it??

If we take just the boy & girl category of children, then you realize they are different: physically different, psychologically different. Because of this difference, you would teach all everything about life: work, ethics, morals, health, hygiene etc then based on their difference, you teach each one specifics about themselves for example when it comes to teenage each have their own unique challenges. Then also because of physical difference, each one of them is more suited (not necessarily exclusive) to some roles which he or she can excel better than the other, for example the woman will learn about being a good mother and the man how to be a good father. Difference roles does not mean discrimination, rather it means doing what you do better and when combined it produces the better whole. So teach female how to be a good woman, and the male how to be a good man.

that's the crux of the matter isn't it? What a "good man" and what makes "good woman"? as Mdomo baggy asks "himself and ask other selves what constitutes a hundred percent female being what is a good woman?"

I guess your question has been answered by my post #48

A good man knows his role given a circumstance. And a good woman also knows her role given a circumstance. It is not about competition, but role taking that produces the best whole... in an equitable manner, not equal manner, coz male and female are not same.

I hope it is clearer now?
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