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Treasury Bills and Bonds
maka
#181 Posted : Monday, September 19, 2016 8:21:34 AM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Liv wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Liv wrote:
@Bond buyers and traders in this forum, what is your forecast on the rates on 5 and 20 year bonds next week? And why?
I think the 20 yr paper is fixed at 14%, the 5 year paper will fetch 15%, give or take. My 1 bob forecast!
My forecast: 5 year bond coupon rate will average between 13.5 and 13.8% 20 year bond Yield rate will average between 14.3 and 14.7%
@Liv doubt anyone would want to bid aggressively on this papers...the probability of missing them is quite high. ...guys will undercut each other...lets see how next week goes then we will know how rates will be.
Its sad I am liquid at the time the rates are looking south with a dark cloud of uncertainity!!! Sad Sad Sad
You can get some many papers at the secondary market at good rates look at Today or Tomorrow price list...
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Impunity
#182 Posted : Monday, September 19, 2016 9:17:10 AM
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maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Liv wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Liv wrote:
@Bond buyers and traders in this forum, what is your forecast on the rates on 5 and 20 year bonds next week? And why?
I think the 20 yr paper is fixed at 14%, the 5 year paper will fetch 15%, give or take. My 1 bob forecast!
My forecast: 5 year bond coupon rate will average between 13.5 and 13.8% 20 year bond Yield rate will average between 14.3 and 14.7%
@Liv doubt anyone would want to bid aggressively on this papers...the probability of missing them is quite high. ...guys will undercut each other...lets see how next week goes then we will know how rates will be.
Its sad I am liquid at the time the rates are looking south with a dark cloud of uncertainity!!! Sad Sad Sad
You can get some many papers at the secondary market at good rates look at Today or Tomorrow price list...
If the market reads say 12% , is possible to get anything like 14% in the secondary market? Check my inbox for some queries~!
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Swenani
#183 Posted : Monday, September 19, 2016 10:42:42 AM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Liv wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Liv wrote:
@Bond buyers and traders in this forum, what is your forecast on the rates on 5 and 20 year bonds next week? And why?
I think the 20 yr paper is fixed at 14%, the 5 year paper will fetch 15%, give or take. My 1 bob forecast!
My forecast: 5 year bond coupon rate will average between 13.5 and 13.8% 20 year bond Yield rate will average between 14.3 and 14.7%
@Liv doubt anyone would want to bid aggressively on this papers...the probability of missing them is quite high. ...guys will undercut each other...lets see how next week goes then we will know how rates will be.
Its sad I am liquid at the time the rates are looking south with a dark cloud of uncertainity!!! Sad Sad Sad
You can get some many papers at the secondary market at good rates look at Today or Tomorrow price list...
If the market reads say 12% , is possible to get anything like 14% in the secondary market? Check my inbox for some queries~!
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maka
#184 Posted : Monday, September 19, 2016 11:24:16 AM
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Liv wrote:
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
5yr at 12.5% 20yr at 14% undersubscribed
From cytonn; In line with the Securities Issuance Calendar, the Government issued 2 bonds: a 5-year bond (FXD 3/2016/5) and a reopened 20-year bond (FXD 1/2016/20) looking to raise Kshs 25.0 bn for the purpose of budgetary support. Given (i) the Government is not under pressure to finance the 2016/2017 budget, having raised Kshs 67.4 bn against a pro-rated target of Kshs 53.0 bn, and (ii) the enactment of the Banking (Amendment) Act, 2015 resulting in lower lending rates by commercial banks and preference to lend to the less risky government, we expect downward pressure on interest rates. Therefore, with the secondary market trading at 13.6% and 14.8% for the 5-year and 20-year bond, respectively, we are of the view that investors should bid between 13.25% and 13.80% for the 5-year and between 14.0% and 14.9% for the 20-year bond with more bids towards the latter.
@Maka, Thanks for the info. My forecast is a subset of the Cytonn rates, only that their ranges are wider. The basis is the current market yields. That's why I thought they are not that aggressive as you said
5 year 13 - 13.50 20 year 14.30 -14.50 All in all its going to be a very interesting auction so many variables....
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maka
#185 Posted : Monday, September 19, 2016 7:21:25 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Liv wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Liv wrote:
@Bond buyers and traders in this forum, what is your forecast on the rates on 5 and 20 year bonds next week? And why?
I think the 20 yr paper is fixed at 14%, the 5 year paper will fetch 15%, give or take. My 1 bob forecast!
My forecast: 5 year bond coupon rate will average between 13.5 and 13.8% 20 year bond Yield rate will average between 14.3 and 14.7%
@Liv doubt anyone would want to bid aggressively on this papers...the probability of missing them is quite high. ...guys will undercut each other...lets see how next week goes then we will know how rates will be.
Its sad I am liquid at the time the rates are looking south with a dark cloud of uncertainity!!! Sad Sad Sad
You can get some many papers at the secondary market at good rates look at Today or Tomorrow price list...
If the market reads say 12% , is possible to get anything like 14% in the secondary market? Check my inbox for some queries~!
Discounts are always available check an extract of todays price list for bonds under 50 mio
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Liv
#186 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:04:56 PM
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Any idea on the results of this month's bonds auction results? I expected them to be published today.
mlennyma
#187 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:12:16 PM
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http://af.reuters.com/ar.../kenyaNews/idAFFWN1BX0AC
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maka
#188 Posted : Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:59:35 PM
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Liv wrote:
Any idea on the results of this month's bonds auction results? I expected them to be published today.
Bado they delay the results siku hizi....
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maka
#189 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2016 8:11:54 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
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Location: Nairobi
maka wrote:
Liv wrote:
Any idea on the results of this month's bonds auction results? I expected them to be published today.
Bado they delay the results siku hizi....
Interesting results not out yet...
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KulaRaha
#190 Posted : Thursday, September 22, 2016 8:23:32 AM
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5yr coupon @ 13.112% (-95.7bps). Market Avg. 13.366% (-76.1bps). Subs 310%. Bids 38.7b. Acceptd 23.1b. Total auction bidders where 1505 and 368 or 24% were rejected. 20yr yield @ 14.601% (-23.5bps). Market Avg. 14.789% (-29.1bps). Subs 142%. Bids 17.8b. Acceptd 12.3b.
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