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Treasury Bills and Bonds
Liv
#171 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:32:45 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Liv wrote:
@Bond buyers and traders in this forum, what is your forecast on the rates on 5 and 20 year bonds next week? And why?
I think the 20 yr paper is fixed at 14%, the 5 year paper will fetch 15%, give or take. My 1 bob forecast!
My forecast: 5 year bond coupon rate will average between 13.5 and 13.8% 20 year bond Yield rate will average between 14.3 and 14.7%
Swenani
#172 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:59:01 PM
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Liv wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Liv wrote:
@Bond buyers and traders in this forum, what is your forecast on the rates on 5 and 20 year bonds next week? And why?
I think the 20 yr paper is fixed at 14%, the 5 year paper will fetch 15%, give or take. My 1 bob forecast!
My forecast: 5 year bond coupon rate will average between 13.5 and 13.8% 20 year bond Yield rate will average between 14.3 and 14.7%
With capping of interest, this will most likely be below 12%
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maka
#173 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:43:37 PM
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Liv wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Liv wrote:
@Bond buyers and traders in this forum, what is your forecast on the rates on 5 and 20 year bonds next week? And why?
I think the 20 yr paper is fixed at 14%, the 5 year paper will fetch 15%, give or take. My 1 bob forecast!
My forecast: 5 year bond coupon rate will average between 13.5 and 13.8% 20 year bond Yield rate will average between 14.3 and 14.7%
@Liv doubt anyone would want to bid aggressively on this papers...the probability of missing them is quite high. ...guys will undercut each other...lets see how next week goes then we will know how rates will be.
possunt quia posse videntur
Impunity
#174 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:55:32 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Liv wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Liv wrote:
@Bond buyers and traders in this forum, what is your forecast on the rates on 5 and 20 year bonds next week? And why?
I think the 20 yr paper is fixed at 14%, the 5 year paper will fetch 15%, give or take. My 1 bob forecast!
My forecast: 5 year bond coupon rate will average between 13.5 and 13.8% 20 year bond Yield rate will average between 14.3 and 14.7%
With capping of interest, this will most likely be below 12%
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Liv
#175 Posted : Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:00:43 PM
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maka wrote:
Liv wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Liv wrote:
@Bond buyers and traders in this forum, what is your forecast on the rates on 5 and 20 year bonds next week? And why?
I think the 20 yr paper is fixed at 14%, the 5 year paper will fetch 15%, give or take. My 1 bob forecast!
My forecast: 5 year bond coupon rate will average between 13.5 and 13.8% 20 year bond Yield rate will average between 14.3 and 14.7%
@Liv doubt anyone would want to bid aggressively on this papers...the probability of missing them is quite high. ...guys will undercut each other...lets see how next week goes then we will know how rates will be.
@Maka I based my forecast rates on the yields realized this week in the market. What would you consider as less aggressive?
KulaRaha
#176 Posted : Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:43:19 AM
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5yr at 12.5% 20yr at 14% undersubscribed
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maka
#177 Posted : Sunday, September 18, 2016 4:35:16 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
5yr at 12.5% 20yr at 14% undersubscribed
From cytonn; In line with the Securities Issuance Calendar, the Government issued 2 bonds: a 5-year bond (FXD 3/2016/5) and a reopened 20-year bond (FXD 1/2016/20) looking to raise Kshs 25.0 bn for the purpose of budgetary support. Given (i) the Government is not under pressure to finance the 2016/2017 budget, having raised Kshs 67.4 bn against a pro-rated target of Kshs 53.0 bn, and (ii) the enactment of the Banking (Amendment) Act, 2015 resulting in lower lending rates by commercial banks and preference to lend to the less risky government, we expect downward pressure on interest rates. Therefore, with the secondary market trading at 13.6% and 14.8% for the 5-year and 20-year bond, respectively, we are of the view that investors should bid between 13.25% and 13.80% for the 5-year and between 14.0% and 14.9% for the 20-year bond with more bids towards the latter.
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maka
#178 Posted : Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:19:21 PM
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maka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
5yr at 12.5% 20yr at 14% undersubscribed
From cytonn; In line with the Securities Issuance Calendar, the Government issued 2 bonds: a 5-year bond (FXD 3/2016/5) and a reopened 20-year bond (FXD 1/2016/20) looking to raise Kshs 25.0 bn for the purpose of budgetary support. Given (i) the Government is not under pressure to finance the 2016/2017 budget, having raised Kshs 67.4 bn against a pro-rated target of Kshs 53.0 bn, and (ii) the enactment of the Banking (Amendment) Act, 2015 resulting in lower lending rates by commercial banks and preference to lend to the less risky government, we expect downward pressure on interest rates. Therefore, with the secondary market trading at 13.6% and 14.8% for the 5-year and 20-year bond, respectively, we are of the view that investors should bid between 13.25% and 13.80% for the 5-year and between 14.0% and 14.9% for the 20-year bond with more bids towards the latter.
possunt quia posse videntur
Liv
#179 Posted : Sunday, September 18, 2016 9:29:07 PM
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maka wrote:
maka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
5yr at 12.5% 20yr at 14% undersubscribed
From cytonn; In line with the Securities Issuance Calendar, the Government issued 2 bonds: a 5-year bond (FXD 3/2016/5) and a reopened 20-year bond (FXD 1/2016/20) looking to raise Kshs 25.0 bn for the purpose of budgetary support. Given (i) the Government is not under pressure to finance the 2016/2017 budget, having raised Kshs 67.4 bn against a pro-rated target of Kshs 53.0 bn, and (ii) the enactment of the Banking (Amendment) Act, 2015 resulting in lower lending rates by commercial banks and preference to lend to the less risky government, we expect downward pressure on interest rates. Therefore, with the secondary market trading at 13.6% and 14.8% for the 5-year and 20-year bond, respectively, we are of the view that investors should bid between 13.25% and 13.80% for the 5-year and between 14.0% and 14.9% for the 20-year bond with more bids towards the latter.
@Maka, Thanks for the info. My forecast is a subset of the Cytonn rates, only that their ranges are wider. The basis is the current market yields. That's why I thought they are not that aggressive as you said
Impunity
#180 Posted : Monday, September 19, 2016 8:19:00 AM
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maka wrote:
Liv wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Liv wrote:
@Bond buyers and traders in this forum, what is your forecast on the rates on 5 and 20 year bonds next week? And why?
I think the 20 yr paper is fixed at 14%, the 5 year paper will fetch 15%, give or take. My 1 bob forecast!
My forecast: 5 year bond coupon rate will average between 13.5 and 13.8% 20 year bond Yield rate will average between 14.3 and 14.7%
@Liv doubt anyone would want to bid aggressively on this papers...the probability of missing them is quite high. ...guys will undercut each other...lets see how next week goes then we will know how rates will be.
Its sad I am liquid at the time the rates are looking south with a dark cloud of uncertainity!!! Sad Sad Sad
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