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Have you ever failed flat in business?
RichVee
#21 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:30:26 AM
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mulla wrote:
RichVee wrote:
It is good to talk about the failures because when one is down, it feels like the end of the world. And whenever we read a story of a successful business, the failures are normally obscured, yet for many successful enterprises, there were major failures before the success.
Also to encourage the newbies in business.
I sprouted several grey hairs and did not need to go to the gym, the weight just fell off.


@RichVee you have been vague...tell us details of the business you went into, what was wrong with regards location, why were your costs unmanageable etc This will help someone not make the same mistake


@Mulla, in more than 5 sentences... i will attempt a brief explanation...
Basically, we're told when starting in biz, start small then grow. I had done my hesabu and identified a location. My partner threw in the idea of moving to a more upmarket location so as to price the services better...I revised my hesabu and they looked good. So I went for a rental space 3 times my initial plan. The customers were very few...yet the days were moving very fast. Everytime i saw the caretaker with an envelop i would hyperventilate...another rent due...
Well, this was not the only mistake...but this one costed me the most. I kind of lost focus
Tired of mediocrity. Am going to the very top!
streetwise
#22 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 2:16:15 PM
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Every success is clouded with 999 failures out of 1.
sparkly
#23 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:36:14 PM
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There is nothing like failure in business.

Experience is earned and opportunities availed.

Businesses rarely turn out into what and how the entrepreneur set out. An entrepreneur may set out to sell product A through channel P in Country X . Along the way, he might realise that he can make a better profit by selling product B. Then he might realise that The market is even better for product B if he sells through channel Q in Country Y.

The entrepreneur should be flexible and adapt as he goes along.
Life is short. Live passionately.
merkava
#24 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:42:42 PM
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Bought a tuktuk while working in Msa back in 2013.....4months down the line...my tuk tuk is stolen,found it 3 days later at kaa chonjo bila plates,hema,batt,starter etc......sold it at a throw away price and never looked back...Fast forward Mid 2014, i move to Kampala,again work, bought a car to do taxi bizna in Nairobi and trusted my friend with the car....big mistake: series of accidents...garage kila wakati na uongo mob......threw in the towel in about 6months, gave my dad the ride ajibebe nayo....2016 am still in Kampala.....started a bakery, at Githurai 45 and i think i finally got it....so far so good.for you orders wazuans call manager at 0727837536. Thaxs
Barikiwa tufanane
obiero
#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:54:00 PM
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merkava wrote:
Bought a tuktuk while working in Msa back in 2013.....4months down the line...my tuk tuk is stolen,found it 3 days later at kaa chonjo bila plates,hema,batt,starter etc......sold it at a throw away price and never looked back...Fast forward Mid 2014, i move to Kampala,again work, bought a car to do taxi bizna in Nairobi and trusted my friend with the car....big mistake: series of accidents...garage kila wakati na uongo mob......threw in the towel in about 6months, gave my dad the ride ajibebe nayo....2016 am still in Kampala.....started a bakery, at Githurai 45 and i think i finally got it....so far so good.for you orders wazuans call manager at 0727837536. Thaxs

A business with key movable assets that depreciate freaks me out.. Thank you for the share

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majimaji
#26 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:03:16 PM
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merkava wrote:
Bought a tuktuk while working in Msa back in 2013.....4months down the line...my tuk tuk is stolen,found it 3 days later at kaa chonjo bila plates,hema,batt,starter etc......sold it at a throw away price and never looked back...Fast forward Mid 2014, i move to Kampala,again work, bought a car to do taxi bizna in Nairobi and trusted my friend with the car....big mistake: series of accidents...garage kila wakati na uongo mob......threw in the towel in about 6months, gave my dad the ride ajibebe nayo....2016 am still in Kampala.....started a bakery, at Githurai 45 and i think i finally got it....so far so good.for you orders wazuans call manager at 0727837536. Thaxs


You are running a bakery in Githurai from Kampala?
MaichBlack
#27 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:03:13 PM
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majimaji wrote:
merkava wrote:
Bought a tuktuk while working in Msa back in 2013.....4months down the line...my tuk tuk is stolen,found it 3 days later at kaa chonjo bila plates,hema,batt,starter etc......sold it at a throw away price and never looked back...Fast forward Mid 2014, i move to Kampala,again work, bought a car to do taxi bizna in Nairobi and trusted my friend with the car....big mistake: series of accidents...garage kila wakati na uongo mob......threw in the towel in about 6months, gave my dad the ride ajibebe nayo....2016 am still in Kampala.....started a bakery, at Githurai 45 and i think i finally got it....so far so good.for you orders wazuans call manager at 0727837536. Thaxs


You are running a bakery in Githurai from Kampala?

The Aga Khan is running major businesses all over the world from wherever!!!

He owns major businesses in Kenya for example and he rarely ever shows up in the country.

Who said you cannot set structures that work for an SME. I know most owner managed SMEs thrive as compared to employee managed but if you are creative (and lucky to some extent - especially with the managers and employees you choose) it can work!!! Otherwise you progress will be limited - you can only personally manage a limited number of businesses. Even if that number is 10 (Very improbable) that is the furthest you will ever go!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Lolest!
#28 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:53:50 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
majimaji wrote:
merkava wrote:
Bought a tuktuk while working in Msa back in 2013.....4months down the line...my tuk tuk is stolen,found it 3 days later at kaa chonjo bila plates,hema,batt,starter etc......sold it at a throw away price and never looked back...Fast forward Mid 2014, i move to Kampala,again work, bought a car to do taxi bizna in Nairobi and trusted my friend with the car....big mistake: series of accidents...garage kila wakati na uongo mob......threw in the towel in about 6months, gave my dad the ride ajibebe nayo....2016 am still in Kampala.....started a bakery, at Githurai 45 and i think i finally got it....so far so good.for you orders wazuans call manager at 0727837536. Thaxs


You are running a bakery in Githurai from Kampala?

The Aga Khan is running major businesses all over the world from wherever!!!

He owns major businesses in Kenya for example and he rarely ever shows up in the country.

Who said you cannot set structures that work for an SME. I know most owner managed SMEs thrive as compared to employee managed but if you are creative (and lucky to some extent - especially with the managers and employees you choose) it can work!!! Otherwise you progress will be limited - you can only personally manage a limited number of businesses. Even if that number is 10 (Very improbable) that is the furthest you will ever go!!!

True that Maich. We should only babysit at the onset

I like merkava's resilience

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majimaji
#29 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 4:33:17 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
majimaji wrote:
merkava wrote:
Bought a tuktuk while working in Msa back in 2013.....4months down the line...my tuk tuk is stolen,found it 3 days later at kaa chonjo bila plates,hema,batt,starter etc......sold it at a throw away price and never looked back...Fast forward Mid 2014, i move to Kampala,again work, bought a car to do taxi bizna in Nairobi and trusted my friend with the car....big mistake: series of accidents...garage kila wakati na uongo mob......threw in the towel in about 6months, gave my dad the ride ajibebe nayo....2016 am still in Kampala.....started a bakery, at Githurai 45 and i think i finally got it....so far so good.for you orders wazuans call manager at 0727837536. Thaxs


You are running a bakery in Githurai from Kampala?

The Aga Khan is running major businesses all over the world from wherever!!!

He owns major businesses in Kenya for example and he rarely ever shows up in the country.

Who said you cannot set structures that work for an SME. I know most owner managed SMEs thrive as compared to employee managed but if you are creative (and lucky to some extent - especially with the managers and employees you choose) it can work!!! Otherwise you progress will be limited - you can only personally manage a limited number of businesses. Even if that number is 10 (Very improbable) that is the furthest you will ever go!!!

True that Maich. We should only babysit at the onset

I like merkava's resilience



@merkava, keep us posted on how the business progresses.
merkava
#30 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 4:43:40 PM
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majimaji wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
majimaji wrote:
merkava wrote:
Bought a tuktuk while working in Msa back in 2013.....4months down the line...my tuk tuk is stolen,found it 3 days later at kaa chonjo bila plates,hema,batt,starter etc......sold it at a throw away price and never looked back...Fast forward Mid 2014, i move to Kampala,again work, bought a car to do taxi bizna in Nairobi and trusted my friend with the car....big mistake: series of accidents...garage kila wakati na uongo mob......threw in the towel in about 6months, gave my dad the ride ajibebe nayo....2016 am still in Kampala.....started a bakery, at Githurai 45 and i think i finally got it....so far so good.for you orders wazuans call manager at 0727837536. Thaxs


You are running a bakery in Githurai from Kampala?

The Aga Khan is running major businesses all over the world from wherever!!!

He owns major businesses in Kenya for example and he rarely ever shows up in the country.

Who said you cannot set structures that work for an SME. I know most owner managed SMEs thrive as compared to employee managed but if you are creative (and lucky to some extent - especially with the managers and employees you choose) it can work!!! Otherwise you progress will be limited - you can only personally manage a limited number of businesses. Even if that number is 10 (Very improbable) that is the furthest you will ever go!!!

True that Maich. We should only babysit at the onset

I like merkava's resilience



@merkava, keep us posted on how the business progresses.

@maji maji, i will do that
Barikiwa tufanane
hamburglar
#31 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:11:58 PM
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Mine cannot be said in five sentences. Way too much stuff has happened in my life it's almost fiction.

Ok. Let me try. Came back from the States Circa 2008 with over 9m and used it all to buy an upscale restaurant which had a rent of over 150k plus other overheads. Very expensive location. Tried to operate the restaurant semi- remotely as in do other things while I let my manager run the restaurant.

Well, after about 8 months, I fell behind so bad, had to take a loan of 1.5 m just to try and catch up on bills. It got so bad that I was maybe a week away from losing it all. Luckily I found a last minute buyer who sensed my desperation and low balled me with an offer of 5m. I didn't have a choice and had to take it otherwise I would have lost it all. I paid the loan plus interest which came to about 2m and was left with roughly 3 million. Bought three cars and rented them out for car hire business and was only paid for maybe one month before I started getting the run around. I decided to literally hijack my cars back and sold them for pennies on the dollar and was able to salvage something as the cars had already been tore up within just two months on the road. Unbelievable.

Was left with like 2m or so and didn't have a choice but to go back to the States limping and embarrassed at my failure. Luckily for me, I have a great network of college mates in the US and i was able to get another good paying job. Worked like a dog and saved saved saved while also doing some house flips on the side while doing my best to stay away from Las Vegas sevens, Heineken and the ladies. Did that for about 4 years, came back with enough saved money for round two in 2012.

This time, I am doing very well but the bruises and scars are still very fresh in my mind. I felt like I had fallen flat on my ass in business but in retrospect, now I feel like all those were very good lessons in business that have given me so much experience. Nowadays, nothing and I mean, nothing fazes me anymore. I have ice water flowing through my veins after what I've been through. I don't think there is failure in business, naivety, inexperience, bad luck, circumstances, maybe, but a real business person should not have the word fail in their vocabulary.
MaichBlack
#32 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 6:08:59 PM
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You are a strong Kenyan @hamburglar. Most people (and I suspect I might be one of them) might not have got into round two (that soon) especially when there is a good paying job as the alternative.

You have a real Entrepreneur's blood. Keep it up. Most successful business men/women out there, including Donald Trump (Assuming he is one - the jury is out on this one) have endured major setbacks more than ones but they keep getting back in the ring till one time they get into a business that just goes through the roof.

Most people give up after the first major failure. Another group after the second one. By the third one there is barely anyone left! And then there is a group that keeps trying because they have no other option (employability etc.)

Kudos!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Nabwire
#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 6:31:42 PM
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Wow Hamburglar, impressive!! You lost 9 mil and still came back for round two? I am in the same exact situation, though I havent lost a significant amount of money. I came with big dreams, started a business, lost fumes from all the conmen, opportunists, hustlers, straight out thieves, friends who "borrow" money etc. Add to that KRA and Kanjo who have been an absolute nightmare, I am packing my bags and headed back to Trump land. Only difference is I never plan on doing biashara in Kenya again, but I am amazed that you saved and came back for round two.
subaru
#34 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 6:47:30 PM
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@ hambuglar you are really tough thats the fighting spirit we lack i have a business thats down have tried to get rid of it but not able i think i will dump it then recollect myself at a low level and come back stronger
RichVee
#35 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 6:51:30 PM
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hamburglar wrote:
Mine cannot be said in five sentences. Way too much stuff has happened in my life it's almost fiction.

Ok. Let me try. Came back from the States Circa 2008 with over 9m and used it all to buy an upscale restaurant which had a rent of over 150k plus other overheads. Very expensive location. Tried to operate the restaurant semi- remotely as in do other things while I let my manager run the restaurant.

Well, after about 8 months, I fell behind so bad, had to take a loan of 1.5 m just to try and catch up on bills. It got so bad that I was maybe a week away from losing it all. Luckily I found a last minute buyer who sensed my desperation and low balled me with an offer of 5m. I didn't have a choice and had to take it otherwise I would have lost it all. I paid the loan plus interest which came to about 2m and was left with roughly 3 million. Bought three cars and rented them out for car hire business and was only paid for maybe one month before I started getting the run around. I decided to literally hijack my cars back and sold them for pennies on the dollar and was able to salvage something as the cars had already been tore up within just two months on the road. Unbelievable.

Was left with like 2m or so and didn't have a choice but to go back to the States limping and embarrassed at my failure. Luckily for me, I have a great network of college mates in the US and i was able to get another good paying job. Worked like a dog and saved saved saved while also doing some house flips on the side while doing my best to stay away from Las Vegas sevens, Heineken and the ladies. Did that for about 4 years, came back with enough saved money for round two in 2012.

This time, I am doing very well but the bruises and scars are still very fresh in my mind. I felt like I had fallen flat on my ass in business but in retrospect, now I feel like all those were very good lessons in business that have given me so much experience. Nowadays, nothing and I mean, nothing fazes me anymore. I have ice water flowing through my veins after what I've been through. I don't think there is failure in business, naivety, inexperience, bad luck, circumstances, maybe, but a real business person should not have the word fail in their vocabulary.



Wow! Thanks for sharing.
Every time i read this kind of a story, I find myself laughing...not in a sadistic way, but in the manner of nodding in understanding how it feels while you are in the heat of the moment.

Here goes another funny anecdote..I used to track my costs in an excel spreadsheet, so that if i wanted to know exactly how much i had spent in total, all i needed to do was do autosum...I could not bring myself to do autosum, until many months after i had closed biz. i still cannot bring myself to say that figure, so clearly, I am yet to recoverd'oh!

I am yet to share my part two of the venture...after changing location... but first let me hear from some other entrepreneurs..
Tired of mediocrity. Am going to the very top!
instinct
#36 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:56:18 PM
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sparkly wrote:
There is nothing like failure in business.

Experience is earned and opportunities availed.

Businesses rarely turn out into what and how the entrepreneur set out. An entrepreneur may set out to sell product A through channel P in Country X . Along the way, he might realise that he can make a better profit by selling product B. Then he might realise that The market is even better for product B if he sells through channel Q in Country Y.

The entrepreneur should be flexible and adapt as he goes along.


we're looking forward to real life stories...
Angelica _ann
#37 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:14:27 AM
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instinct wrote:
sparkly wrote:
There is nothing like failure in business.

Experience is earned and opportunities availed.

Businesses rarely turn out into what and how the entrepreneur set out. An entrepreneur may set out to sell product A through channel P in Country X . Along the way, he might realise that he can make a better profit by selling product B. Then he might realise that The market is even better for product B if he sells through channel Q in Country Y.

The entrepreneur should be flexible and adapt as he goes along.


we're looking forward to real life stories...


smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
webish
#38 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:31:47 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
Wow Hamburglar, impressive!! You lost 9 mil and still came back for round two? I am in the same exact situation, though I havent lost a significant amount of money. I came with big dreams, started a business, lost fumes from all the conmen, opportunists, hustlers, straight out thieves, friends who "borrow" money etc. Add to that KRA and Kanjo who have been an absolute nightmare, I am packing my bags and headed back to Trump land. Only difference is I never plan on doing biashara in Kenya again, but I am amazed that you saved and came back for round two.


Too soon?


Life is joy, death is peace, but the transition is very difficult.
Nabwire
#39 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:01:19 AM
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webish wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
Wow Hamburglar, impressive!! You lost 9 mil and still came back for round two? I am in the same exact situation, though I havent lost a significant amount of money. I came with big dreams, started a business, lost fumes from all the conmen, opportunists, hustlers, straight out thieves, friends who "borrow" money etc. Add to that KRA and Kanjo who have been an absolute nightmare, I am packing my bags and headed back to Trump land. Only difference is I never plan on doing biashara in Kenya again, but I am amazed that you saved and came back for round two.


Too soon?



I know one should never say never but I just dont see myself dealing with this madness. As much as we like to pretend, most Kenyans in Kenya are inherently dishonest people!! People want to buy on credit but when its time for paying... Then the institutions are deeply flawed, if you are honest, you end up looking like a fool, here everything is done ninja style, corruption galore and if you dont play in that mafia style game, you end up frustrated. Wacha nikuwe nakuja kutembea, heri nikae na shida za Trump.
mwania
#40 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:13:36 AM
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To succeed in business in Kenya, you need to be street wise (which some of us are not). That means evading taxes, bribing everybody who comes in between you and your money and outright stealing as much as possible. Contravene all laws as long as it will save you a coin. If you want to do straight forward business, then go to America or other places where people who enforce laws do not take bribes.
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