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Law Capping interest rates
muandiwambeu
#1011 Posted : Monday, September 12, 2016 9:56:19 AM
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Impunity wrote:
kaifastus wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
wukan wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
obiero wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
At 12.9% kcb and co are doomed.

What forms the basis of your judgement. Kenyan banks could lend at 5% and still make a profit.. It all depends on cost of funds.. Recalibration of the accounts that qualify for the minimum of 70% on CBR shall determine which bank thrives.. COOP via the SACCO movement remains the best bet to ride this wave


With a gross spread of 6% and npls higher, how will they earn a profit?


The aim is to maintain the market share so for a while the profit motive takes a chill. I would bet Equity would come at 12% and effectively wipe out the Sacco movement's value proposition. Why would anyone borrow their own money at 12% when you can get it from the bank? I would expect Sacco deposits will shrink so Coop would the worst bus

@wakun you have a point I had not seen coming. but it will take some time for the echo's to make rounds. though and simply stated banks are having a Molotov cocktail in their menu and am not ready to dine with them. imagine kbbr at 6.5% that would make it 10.5% for the banks. I would borrow for the first time in my life a secured loan to setup my fourth small production industry without looking over my shoulder's. let the whipping continue.

Banks have a lot of say in the financial agenda for the country.. If the banks needed to move the rates up, they could do it.. Plus negotiation fee cannot be capped so the banks can raise appraisal fee to 5% per loan, chargeable annually..


Any fee increment is being monitored by cbk. The cbk recently instructed banks to remove "nuisance" fees like bank closing charges. banks like coop were sending sms threatening to list customers in credit bureaus as defaulters coz of silly charges which arent loans! Again customers will vote with their feet/money and migrate to friendlier banks.


The law can be amended to also cap the fees...kwani iko nini?

processing fee is a professional charge or commission and there exists guidelines to regulate them already
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Impunity
#1012 Posted : Monday, September 12, 2016 6:21:39 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
Impunity wrote:
kaifastus wrote:
obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
wukan wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
obiero wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
At 12.9% kcb and co are doomed.

What forms the basis of your judgement. Kenyan banks could lend at 5% and still make a profit.. It all depends on cost of funds.. Recalibration of the accounts that qualify for the minimum of 70% on CBR shall determine which bank thrives.. COOP via the SACCO movement remains the best bet to ride this wave


With a gross spread of 6% and npls higher, how will they earn a profit?


The aim is to maintain the market share so for a while the profit motive takes a chill. I would bet Equity would come at 12% and effectively wipe out the Sacco movement's value proposition. Why would anyone borrow their own money at 12% when you can get it from the bank? I would expect Sacco deposits will shrink so Coop would the worst bus

@wakun you have a point I had not seen coming. but it will take some time for the echo's to make rounds. though and simply stated banks are having a Molotov cocktail in their menu and am not ready to dine with them. imagine kbbr at 6.5% that would make it 10.5% for the banks. I would borrow for the first time in my life a secured loan to setup my fourth small production industry without looking over my shoulder's. let the whipping continue.

Banks have a lot of say in the financial agenda for the country.. If the banks needed to move the rates up, they could do it.. Plus negotiation fee cannot be capped so the banks can raise appraisal fee to 5% per loan, chargeable annually..


Any fee increment is being monitored by cbk. The cbk recently instructed banks to remove "nuisance" fees like bank closing charges. banks like coop were sending sms threatening to list customers in credit bureaus as defaulters coz of silly charges which arent loans! Again customers will vote with their feet/money and migrate to friendlier banks.


The law can be amended to also cap the fees...kwani iko nini?

processing fee is a professional charge or commission and there exists guidelines to regulate them already

Those guidelines can be abused and so we will regulate them further.
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Ericsson
#1013 Posted : Monday, September 12, 2016 8:04:44 PM
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I'm waiting to hear the banks give statistics of how many people they have given loans so far at 14.5% or 12.9%
Otherwise these are PR gimmicks at play
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
iris
#1014 Posted : Monday, September 12, 2016 8:15:59 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
streetwise wrote:
I think this thing as as bout Gova getting cheaper money.


The government is you and I ....... or so I was taught in primary school.smile


No doubt you were also taught:

"Zamani tuliwekwa eti namba four
Sasa abautani tuko namba wani" smile
Xymalos
#1015 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 4:43:28 AM
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Any news from Equity Bank and Housing Finance as to when they will implenent the new lending rates? If so, what rates are they quoting? Finally the end outrageous lending rates!!
obiero
#1016 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:32:33 AM
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Xymalos wrote:
Any news from Equity Bank and Housing Finance as to when they will implenent the new lending rates? If so, what rates are they quoting? Finally the end outrageous lending rates!!

The bill has not been gazetted so the two can milk this to the last cent.. It is a gamble but it may pay off
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bird_man
#1017 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:04:11 AM
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obiero wrote:
Xymalos wrote:
Any news from Equity Bank and Housing Finance as to when they will implenent the new lending rates? If so, what rates are they quoting? Finally the end outrageous lending rates!!

The bill has not been gazetted so the two can milk this to the last cent.. It is a gamble but it may pay off

Banks cannot fight CBK.Last I checked last week, HFCK was trying to comply and set loan rates at 14.5%. All the same, CBK is failing big time. They need to come out clearly on whether its KBRR or CBR.
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
Ericsson
#1018 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:44:20 AM
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That's why we need an independent financial system divorced from politics.
If you look at USA the monetary policy by the Federal Reserve is the 4th arm of the government therefore politics aside.
Here in Kenya decisions are being made with the aim of winning the 2017 General elections.
Like someone said,stay out of stocks/equities till October 2017
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
maka
#1019 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:56:02 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
That's why we need an independent financial system divorced from politics.
If you look at USA the monetary policy by the Federal Reserve is the 4th arm of the government therefore politics aside.
Here in Kenya decisions are being made with the aim of winning the 2017 General elections.
Like someone said,stay out of stocks/equities till October 2017


Thats the kind of poltics we love...na hii ndio malipo,they really dont care.
possunt quia posse videntur
bird_man
#1020 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:19:15 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
I'm waiting to hear the banks give statistics of how many people they have given loans so far at 14.5% or 12.9%
Otherwise these are PR gimmicks at play

I'd also love to see such.If you force all rates at 14.5% despite Banks having insufficient data and lazy scoring models,credit will be witheld for smaller and SME borrowers.Lets watch.

Otherwise all these declarations are nothing but PR.
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
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