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tonicasert
#301 Posted : Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:04:18 AM
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karanjakinuthia wrote:
A peek at the Currency Crisis of 1931 reveals that unlike today, Germany was on its knees financially due to war repatriations after World War I. It had to issue bonds in the United States to pay for its war debt; in essense utilizing debt to settle debt. The French, on the other hand, were in a strong position as a result of its substancial gold holdings and heavy commodity base.

France's opposition to the German-Austrian agreement led it to redeem German bills, severely crippling the latter's funding situation. That move by the French and its banks pushed Credit-Ansait Bank of Austria over the edge sparking bank failures across Europe.

Interestingly, Germany is engaging in the economic brinkmanship of the French several decades ago.





Interesting.

German is really proving to be the millionaire who was once a beggar and sleeping on the streets, but now cant understand how someone cant afford a meal.... extreme arrogance. They're really trying to take advantage of Greece, asking for huge premiums for any bail outs.

On a different angle, some office mates the other day were discussing the way Greeks really live beyond their means, and this has even become a culture in the govt. I dont know how true this is, but quite similar to Dubai and Abu Dhabi case.
karanjakinuthia
#302 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:14:17 AM
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The ratings agency S&P's downgrade of Greek and Portuguese debt rang out like a fire alarm in a supermarket, sending market participants scurring for the exits. The mood was that of sell first and ask questions later. Safe havens were the U.S. Dollar, U.S. Treasuries and gold.

Portugal is now being looked upon as the next shoe to drop, all the while the Greek Tragedy grows in amplitude with talk of a further 10 billion Euro top-up by the IMF. At the start of April, Greece's 2 Year Bonds were trading at 5% and are now sporting a 16.81% rate.

Confidence is the thread that intertwines all markets. The fear of contagion and a repeat of the 1931 Currency Crisis due to World War I debts is straining that very bond. We all recall that war broke out 8 years later in Europe. 2018 threatens to bring about the same result and coincides with the 26 year War Cycle.

"Stock markets around the world plunged today after Standard & Poor's cut Greece's credit rating to junk status and downgraded its view of Portugal in the clearest evidence yet that the European sovereign debt crisis is spreading. Italy and Spain are also viewed as vulnerable.

In London, the FTSE 100 index closed down more than 150 at 5603, a fall of 2.6%, and there were big falls in share prices in Athens, New York, Paris and Frankfurt.

Analysts blamed politicians in Germany for dragging their feet over a Greek rescue package worth €45bn. German chancellor Angela Merkel has demanded that Greece come up with a tougher and longer austerity package before the EU ploughs in €30bn and the International Monetary Fund comes up with €15bn. But investors fear the government will be unable to deliver amid opposition from trade unions who have already taken to the streets...."

Read more:

http://www.guardian.co.u...redit-rating-downgraded

karanjakinuthia
#303 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:08:57 AM
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Several reasons stack up against a sovereign bond issue by the Kenyan government at this time:

1. The Western world is mired in a Debt Crisis which will cause capital flight from state and municipal bonds of heavily indebted nations in Europe and the U.S.

2. Capital flight will reduce the prices of bonds and inversely result in an upward trajectory of interest rates.

3. Emerging market debt (Kenya would fall under this category) is based upon interest rates of the long end of the U.S. Treasury debt market (10 year and 30 year Treasuries) plus about 200 basis points.

4. Bond investors, fearing default are already shifting their funds into short term U.S. Treasuries causing a rise in long term rates.

5. In the event of default by a sovereign, volatility will spike swaying currencies and bond prices/interest rates. Greece's flirtation with default has caused a spike in its 10 Year interest rate from 3% to 9.6%.

6. In the event of civil unrest, finger pointing and possibly war, volatility will spike swaying currencies and bond prices/interest rates

"The government has been urged to take advantage of the prevailing global liquidity and low interest rates to issue the Euro Bond.

The National Science and Economic Council (NSEC) has recommended to the government the need to issue the bond at a time when the international debt market is awash with funds and the prevailing low interest rates....."

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily.../-/ele61fz/-/index.html

Scubidu
#304 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:46:47 AM
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@kk
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3. Emerging market debt (Kenya would fall under this category) is based upon interest rates of the long end of the U.S. Treasury debt market (10 year and 30 year Treasuries) plus about 200 basis points.

4. Bond investors, fearing default are already shifting their funds into short term U.S. Treasuries causing a rise in long term rates.

5. In the event of default by a sovereign, volatility will spike swaying currencies and bond prices/interest rates. Greece's flirtation with default has caused a spike in its 10 Year interest rate from 3% to 9.6%.


Can you explain this more. I don't understand.

Like we didn't see this coming. Greece bans short selling. It's like Lehman and Bear Stearns all over again. But will the outcome be different this time? Read more:

http://www.marketwatch.c...28?reflink=MW_news_stmp

http://www.businessweek....om-today-to-june-28.html
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
karanjakinuthia
#305 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:24:37 PM
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@ Scubidu.

When the prices of bonds fall due to waning investor demand, the interest rates of the bonds rise. Therefore, in a Sovereign Debt Crisis, investors offload bonds of nations in turmoil causing a comensurate rise in interest rates.

Unlike the 1930's when the U.S. was a creditor nation, had a surplus budget and second only to France in gold holdings, it now ranks as the largest debtor nation in the world with deficit spending as far as eye can see. Therefore, its currency and debt markets cannot act as a port of safety during this crisis period.

Emerging market debt interest rates are several basis points above what are considered robust markets. The U.S. and Germany fall under this category. Notice that Greek interest rates are quoted as X percentage points above German Bunds.

As an emerging market, we will be subject to U.S. long term interest rates. If and when the Debt Crisis crosses the Atlantic, U.S. rates will head upwards due to investors offloading U.S. debt fearing default. Those of our sovereign debt are set to follow.

Astute investors are piling into short term U.S. Treasuries whose short maturity durations allow for re-assessment depending on prevailing conditions. Long term debt holders are in for a rude shock.

We are witnessing Point 5 unfolding. The Euro and major stock markets are swaying violently. Greek and Portuguese Bonds are plunging. The VIX Volatility Index was up by 30% yesterday, the highest increase since October 2008.

All this and we haven't had a default yet.

How then does one price a long term bond in this environment when the markets are "a loose cannon on the deck of the world in a tempest-tossed era"?

How then does the government guarantee sufficient uptake from investors who are fleeing from debt markets?

karanjakinuthia
#306 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:52:48 PM
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@Scubidu

Time magazine reported in its September 28, 1931 edition on the shock of the British default. Their comments were as follows:

"Last Monday, all businessmen were shocked to read in their morning papers that the British pound sterling was no longer based on gold. The Tokyo Stock Exchange had announced that it would not open. Tokyo was followed by Bombay, Calcutta, Johannesburg, London, Berlin, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Vienna, Oslo, Stockholm, Brussels and Athens. The Paris Bourse opened, but limited all trades to 5% of all holdings and no dealing in foreign exchange. Montreal’s Exchange opened similarly restricted. The New York Stock Exchange remained open, but as in dark November 1929, short selling was forbidden. In the artificial market thus created, stocks gyrated unsteadily, closed higher; bonds closed at lows for the year."

In another article, Time reported:

"In few nations nowadays is there a ‘free and open market.’ The Berlin Bourse closed from July 13 to September 3, opened with shortselling banned, then closed again. In Great Britain all trades were put on a cash basis which practically eliminated shortselling as did restrictions imposed on the French and Athenian Bourses. On the Paris Bourse a seller must deposit 40% margin, also 25% on the amount of the stock sold which makes bear activities a rich man’s privilege. One of the most dramatic events of the present crisis occurred in Amsterdam on September 21 when after a terrific slump in prices, all transactions were cancelled, the Exchange closed in status quo. Montreal and Toronto met the British crisis by banning shortsales and establishing ’minimum prices’ for securities, but both last week were open with no restrictions. The Tokyo Exchange has been closing and opening repeatedly during recent weeks. Tokyo stocks broke badly when the shares owned by interests who operate the Exchange collapsed.*

These efforts were a waste of time, the stock markets continued to fall until mid 1932. Similar efforts during the financial crisis of 2008-2009 did not stop the market from declining. Regulators seem to disregard the fact that the short seller is the only participant who is obligated to buy in a falling market inorder to cover his short position. Markets can decline by the mere virtue of sell orders overwhelming buy orders.

*Source: The Greatest Bull Market in History
Scubidu
#307 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 4:36:19 PM
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KK. Ever thought of running a teaching seminar? Young chaps like myself would pay top dollar to listen to you. Think about it. You're lending me the book dude "The Greatest Bull Market in History".
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
obablo
#308 Posted : Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:23:22 PM
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Thanks to all the contributors....a good read.
Welcome to The Obablo Media Online Shop!
karanjakinuthia
#309 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:44:14 AM
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Thank you Scubidu and Obalbo.

karanjakinuthia
#310 Posted : Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:09:02 AM
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The commodity bull markets of the past century were (and will be):

1907 to 1919
1968 to 1980
1999 to 2016

Of note is the fact that the greatest intensity of price increases is felt during the last 4 years to the top of the bull market. At that point in time, the markets are in parabolic or blowoff mode. Consumers and industrials are well advised to prepare for the years 2012 to 2016.

"A sharp rally in commodity prices with the ongoing global economic recovery could increase the exposure of frontier economies such as Kenya to imported inflation and exchange rate instability, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has warned.

The IMF says such instability could slow down growth in the near term, leaving many countries behind their medium term targets with serious consequences on the economic environment..."

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/vgr6l4/-/index.html

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